Block A or B?

[Ivor Windybottom]

All very good, except an awful lot of people just cannot get on to that mortgage ladder .

Where are they supposed to live ?

You're starting with the assumption that houses should be as expensive as they currently are.

The current prices are due to massive market manipulation, due to an absence of border controls and housebuilders rigging the market. Getting away with it by bribing politicians, who then provide various taxpayer funded subsidies that keep prices high and indirectly pay money to the housebuilders.

Second-hand houses should cost less than they cost to buy the land and build, just as a used car is worth less than it cost when it was new. We've got used to all houses rising in value, but this isn't normal, the bog standard shoeboxes are behaving like rare collectible supercars.

There will always be people who can't afford to buy, or just don't want to. They can rent, usually from a private landlord as at present. Rents mirror values, so rents will also reduce when the prices inevitably correct at some point in the future. I'm going to guess in about 2 years after it becomes clear the current comedy government have wrecked the UK economy. All the seeds are being sown, it will just take time.

 

[Ivor Windybottom]

So mandatory population controls as well. Are you sure you don't want to just import the CCP?

Utter garbage. You're now equating border controls with the CCP? An utterly illogical pile of stinking lefty nonsense.

All wealthy countries need to control who enters, it's a basic responsibility of any government. But post-Blair governments have been deliberately failing in this duty so both parties are now getting booted out of control by the electorate, hopefully permanently.

 

[Vinty]

Consider two neighbouring blocks of flats.


Block A is well maintained, clean, and secure. The management company ensures that every tenant is properly registered, that rent is collected, and critically that the revenue is reinvested into the building. The lifts work, the corridors are bright, the grounds are cared for, and security measures operate as intended. Residents understand the value of this disciplined structure because it directly contributes to a safe, orderly, and predictable living environment. As a result, Block A attracts people who want stability, fairness, and a sense of community underpinned by clear rules and proper stewardship.


Block B, by contrast, is poorly run. The building is visibly neglected: peeling paint, broken doors, unreliable lighting, and no effective security presence. Some tenants pay nothing at all. Others should not be living there in the first place either they bypassed the formal processes, or the landlord simply stopped enforcing them altogether. Basic maintenance does not happen, and the very idea of reinvesting rental income back into the property is almost nonexistent. The environment becomes chaotic because, without standards, accountability, or enforcement, anything and anyone is allowed to drift in.

Are you starting to get the picture?

Given the wide disparity between these two living conditions, it is self-evident why most rational people would choose Block A. It provides safety, routine, and a functioning management model that respects both its tenants and its long-term sustainability.

However, within Block B, some individuals despite living in the clear dysfunction of the building may react aggressively towards anyone seeking to move to Block A. The reasons are usually a mix of insecurity, misplaced entitlement, or a refusal to acknowledge the consequences of poor management and non-compliance. Instead of recognising that Block A’s standards produce better outcomes, they resent those who choose to pursue a higher-quality environment. In extreme cases, they may even attempt to shame, intimidate, or undermine anyone planning to leave, as though improvement were a form of betrayal rather than an entirely rational decision.


Block A represents a structure that works because people support it and contribute to it. Dubai for example?

Block B represents what happens when responsibility, investment, and accountability are abandoned. EG The UK.

Discuss why you would resent anyone wanting to move to Block A?

Discuss whats wrong with Block B and why complaining about how its run is somehow deemed far right?

A lot of people in Block A own a lot of the flats in Block B and sweat them for rent to fund their nice lifestyle in Block A.
I know people who do that.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

You're starting with the assumption that houses should be as expensive as they currently are.

Land is expensive. Big companies have it banked, to keep those profits via prices

The current prices are due to massive market manipulation, due to an absence of border controls and housebuilders rigging the market. Getting away with it by bribing politicians, who then provide various taxpayer funded subsidies that keep prices high and indirectly pay money to the housebuilders.

Interesting claim. Any evidence? Or are you saying donations and access to power is bribery?

Second-hand houses should cost less than they cost to buy the land and build,

The land value is still the same

just as a used car is worth less than it cost when it was new

The differences are too big to condense to compare, very poor analogy

. We've got used to all houses rising in value, but this isn't normal, the bog standard shoeboxes are behaving like rare collectible supercars.

As land gets rarer so does it's value. The 1 thing that can't be manufactured is land.

There will always be people who can't afford to buy, or just don't want to.

They can rent, usually from a private landlord as at present.

So why not from a council, at overall lower costs to the taxpayer than private landlords

Rents mirror values, so rents will also reduce when the prices inevitably correct at some point in the future.

Land prices again

I'm going to guess in about 2 years after it becomes clear the current comedy government have wrecked the UK economy

And there's your big issue. It's all Labours fault

. All the seeds are being sown, it will just take time.

The seeds are division. The immigrants aren't buying those houses, cheap or expensive. But let's still blame them.

It's farage fodder

 

[Notch7]

The current prices are due to massive market manipulation, due to an absence of border controls

the Uk has never had an absence of border controls

Getting away with it by bribing politicians, who then provide various taxpayer funded subsidies that keep prices high and indirectly pay money to the housebuilders.

I understand you will be voting Reform

Dubai Dicky is a property developer / landlord

 

[Notch7]

Second-hand houses should cost less than they cost to buy the land and build, just as a used car is worth less than it cost when it was new.

cars have a short lifespan

second hand houses dont. Generally a 50 year old house is just as livable as a new house, better probably

 

[Vinty]

post-Blair governments have been deliberately failing in this duty

Why do you believe they have been deliberately failing to control immigration.
After all, every post Blair government have been true Blue Tories.
The fundamental truth which seems to escape most Reform supporters , is that the Tories have more to gain from mass immigration than Labour.
That is why Rishi Sunak told working class Tory supporters that he would control immigration while at the same time allowed record numbers of immigrants from Asia to enter the UK.

Is Rishi Sunak an immigrant lovin lunatic lefty or just a typical Tory who is more interested in money than people.

 

[Vinty]

cars have a short lifespan

second hand houses dont. Generally a 50 year old house is just as livable as a new house, better probably

Shelter is a fundamental human right along with clean water.
Cars can be optional along with fridges and TVs.
The way things are going, a lot of people may just end up living in their cars, just like America.

 

[Notch7]

Shelter is a fundamental human right along with clean water.
Cars can be optional along with fridges and TVs.
The way things are going, a lot of people may just end up living in their cars, just like America.

I agree

I believe that a secure home is a part of the basic social contract

people are living scared, living in rented accomodation often on zero hour contracts not knowing from one week to the next whether they have a roof over their head

those of us that live in mortgage free or low remaining mortgage properties are now unbelievably fortunate

 

[festive]

Give me the UK over any country (especially Dubai) any day. Take your flawed analogy and píss off to Dubai with it.

Aww come here n ill give you a hug.. x

 

[pete01]

Aww come here n ill give you a hug.. x

Reported

 

[festive]

Interesting debate so far, i think the point being and what we surely all must agree on despite the football mentality here of some its the 'rules' that are mostly to blame not just the teams, who are just playing the system to their own selfish needs.

There are very few real gems of human beings in the echolons of the polictical hierachy, youll find mostly egotistical maniacs, control freaks etc.

When i was younger i had a considerable battle with my local Parish council, i think they underestimated me from my appearance and methodology. However, i managed to expose all of them and their corrupt practice in a such a forensic and well presented way half of them had to resign others were sacked, and the whole process in the planning portal was revised and renewed because of this, as it showed how easy these fools were manipulating decisions as part of a back scratching club aligned with the LPA(local planning authority). Absolute fools all of them have the same trait that their civil powers give them enhance intelligence also. That's where Goverment policy and accountability needs serious review.

 

[IT Minion]

Utter garbage. You're now equating border controls with the CCP? An utterly illogical pile of stinking lefty nonsense.

All wealthy countries need to control who enters, it's a basic responsibility of any government. But post-Blair governments have been deliberately failing in this duty so both parties are now getting booted out of control by the electorate, hopefully permanently.

You want the population to decline, so you're not just saying that we can't have net immigration, you're requiring that we also don't start having too many children.

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Interesting that you assume that doing anything would automatically involve the state!

To quote Ronald Reagan - "The most worrying words you will ever hear are - I'm from the government and I'm here to help."