if i fit my own boiler but get someone to do the final connections is that leagle
boiler instalation
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Who'll ever know? All you need is someone c*** enough to do it for you.
C
compheat
if you hang the boiler on the wall and connect all the pipes except the gas, and don't install the flue your ok. But both the flue and the gas have to be done by a RGI. but then again who will know.
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it's not illegal to do gas work in your own home if you're competent? Its illegal if you do do it anywhere else, unless you are Gas safe registered. I would say though get in a qualified engineer as there are too many safety implications that you will only know with experience and knowledge of core gas safety!
And if the screws holding the boiler in the wall are only 5mm into the brick?? How will the RGI know?
Incorrect. how is he competent? because he says he is. ACS is prove you are competent.
Another one who does not know! He never posts in the gas only part of the forum so I must expect that he is not Gas Registered himself which might explain his lack of knowledge about this!
The reality is that there are are FOUR aspects that HAVE to be done by an RGI:-
hanging bracket
flue assembly and connection
gas connection
commissioning
Just like gas pressures, the standard of knowledge in this industry leaves a lot to be desired.
Customers dont help either as they go for the cheapest regardless of their professionalism or even being gas registered!
Tony
Not true.
But not the only proof. If you can install a boiler all by yourself and it works completely as per M.I. and is mechanically safe etc, you are clearly competent.
I did some fault finding on a system the other day that was installed by somebody who didn't have ACS, and from a gas point of view, it was perfectly safe. It kept failing, but that's another story.
All I can say is go to plumbing and heating forum index and look for the announcement for DIY Gas!! I'm not saying it's right but it's in black and white!
S
Stamina
how would you know anyway?e.g on a landlords or general service?
I have just come across Safety in the installation and use of gas systems and appliances The HSE's Approved Code of Practice and guidance on the application of the Gas Safety (Installation and Use) Regulations 1998.
on page 19 it repeats the definition of "work" from GSIUR 98 -
“work” in relation to a gas fitting includes any of the following activities carried out by any person, whether an employee or not, that is to say -
(a) installing or re-connecting the fitting;
(b) maintaining, servicing, permanently adjusting, disconnecting, repairing, altering or renewing the fitting or purging it of air or gas;
(c) where the fitting is not readily movable, changing its position; and
(d) removing the fitting.
but the expression does not include the connection or disconnection of a bayonet fitting or other self-sealing connector.
It then makes this comment:
For the purposes of these Regulations, ‘work’ includes do-it-yourself activities, work undertaken as a favour for friends and relatives, and work for which there is no expectation of reward or gain, eg voluntary activity for charities.
This means that anyone carrying out such work must have the necessary competence, as required by regulation 3(1).
However, membership of an HSE approved class of persons (under regulation 3(3)) is required only by businesses carrying out gas fitting work (see paragraphs 43-45).
So it would appear to say that DIY work is considered legal, provided you are competent.
The $64,000 question is how do you prove you are competent? The ACOP deals with this later on when it says:
Competence depends on a combination of training and experience. The HSC ACOP Standards of training in safe gas installation provides guidance both on the scope of training and the need for proper assessment/re-assessment of gas fitting operatives (see Appendix 4). Although failure to observe any provision of the Code is not in itself an offence, that failure may be taken by a Court in criminal proceedings as proof that a person has contravened a particular regulation.
It would appear that, provided nothing goes wrong, you won't get caught and hauled up before the magistrates. BUt if you do get caught you will get it in the neck as you would not be classed as "competent".
What concerns me more is that most DIYers will not be familiar with all the tests and safety checks which have to be carried out.
on page 19 it repeats the definition of "work" from GSIUR 98 -
“work” in relation to a gas fitting includes any of the following activities carried out by any person, whether an employee or not, that is to say -
(a) installing or re-connecting the fitting;
(b) maintaining, servicing, permanently adjusting, disconnecting, repairing, altering or renewing the fitting or purging it of air or gas;
(c) where the fitting is not readily movable, changing its position; and
(d) removing the fitting.
but the expression does not include the connection or disconnection of a bayonet fitting or other self-sealing connector.
It then makes this comment:
For the purposes of these Regulations, ‘work’ includes do-it-yourself activities, work undertaken as a favour for friends and relatives, and work for which there is no expectation of reward or gain, eg voluntary activity for charities.
This means that anyone carrying out such work must have the necessary competence, as required by regulation 3(1).
However, membership of an HSE approved class of persons (under regulation 3(3)) is required only by businesses carrying out gas fitting work (see paragraphs 43-45).
So it would appear to say that DIY work is considered legal, provided you are competent.
The $64,000 question is how do you prove you are competent? The ACOP deals with this later on when it says:
Competence depends on a combination of training and experience. The HSC ACOP Standards of training in safe gas installation provides guidance both on the scope of training and the need for proper assessment/re-assessment of gas fitting operatives (see Appendix 4). Although failure to observe any provision of the Code is not in itself an offence, that failure may be taken by a Court in criminal proceedings as proof that a person has contravened a particular regulation.
It would appear that, provided nothing goes wrong, you won't get caught and hauled up before the magistrates. BUt if you do get caught you will get it in the neck as you would not be classed as "competent".
What concerns me more is that most DIYers will not be familiar with all the tests and safety checks which have to be carried out.
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