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Actually, fair comment, in my defence I was referring to posters in these hallowed halls in that most posters I'm aware of have more realistic expectations (not necessarily bad).
In essence, yes, there are no happy endings either way, the French illustrate that rather well.
Thats the argument of Brexxers. We know Brexit is will make us weaker but it means not being part of the EU which we hate.
When you define your position from hate, you are easily misled.