Boston Bombs

[AronSearle]

Oh no, sorry, this is a troll thread.

Drone attacks

Do you think the drone operators think they are playing call of duty ?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-deadly-double-tap-drone-attacks-8174771.html

 

[joinerjohn]

Thing that some don't understand (or ignore) is the fact that these known terrorists, deliberately hide themselves amongst the civilian population. Knowing full well that their using them as a human shield.
Some seem to think that terrorism is acceptable, and that terrorists don't attack civilian targets.

 

[AronSearle]

I dunno joinerjohn.

Do you think abdul with his AK47 in Pakistan is a threat to America, a serious enough threat to justify killing hundreds of children and potentially thousands of non combatant adults.

 

[sooey]

Some seem to think that terrorism is acceptable, and that terrorists don't attack civilian targets.

Some seem to think that dropping bombs on innocent people and blowing them all to bits just because some target figure may be hiding amongst them isn't terrorism.
The yanks like to do things from a distance because it keeps their casualty figures low, but the local population are paying a terrible price for their remote control policy. And targeting the recuers is beyond despicable.
Is it any wonder people all over the world don't like them.

 

[joinerjohn]

By the same token, Hamas, fires rockets into Israel from the Gaza Strip, then wonders why Israel retaliates and civilians are killed in the process. Hamas is one organisation that does hide amongst civilians. If these same civilians told Hamas terrorists to go hide somewhere else, then they'd put themselves at less risk. Civilians in Pakistan/Afghanistan should do the same. But they won't because these terrorists would then threaten/shoot them. So what to do? Allow the terrorists to proliferate?
It's easy for us living here in relative peace to comment on the rights and wrongs, but would we knowingly allow terrorists to hide amongst us) (knowing they were terrorists)

 

[AronSearle]

I wasn't aware terrorists in Pakistan are shelling american soil, is that why the Americans are using drone attacks against them?

Israel also tries surgically strike targets, I can't see how the double tap method mentioned above could in any way be called surgical.

 

[joinerjohn]

Thing is, terrorists, just across the border in Pakistan, do make regular incursions into Afghanistan, to shoot at /blow up via IED's, American and British soldiers. These people know full well that they are being monitored and are putting civilians at risk.

 

[AronSearle]

In this thread we learn joinerjohn is OK with double tap drone strikes and hundreds of child fatalities.

 

[sooey]

Thing is, terrorists, just across the border in Pakistan, do make regular incursions into Afghanistan, to shoot at /blow up via IED's, American and British soldiers. These people know full well that they are being monitored and are putting civilians at risk.

Well guess what joinerjohn, they wouldn't if there weren't any American or British soldiers there to shoot at/blow up.
I don't like pakistanis by the way, can't stand them, but that's my personal predjudice. I fail to understand how anyone can think that we can blow people up without some kind of retaliation. But then I already know that you're not too bright.

 

[joinerjohn]

In this thread we learn joinerjohn is OK with double tap drone strikes and hundreds of child fatalities.

Do you think terrorists worry, or care about civilian deaths? Do they only seek targets of a military nature?

This from another thread...

DO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN ELLAL DO YOU?

Do make your mind up. Is there some way to get these terrorists to stand out in the open, instead of hiding amongst civilians?

 

[AronSearle]

DO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN ELLAL DO YOU?

Do make your mind up.

sarcasm

mocking, contemptuous, or ironic language intended to convey scorn or insult

Do you think terrorists worry, or care about civilian deaths?

So you acknowledge drone attacks are akin to terrorism?

 

[joinerjohn]

I was not being sarcastic in the slightest Aron. I'm just pointing out the obvious. Even if we sent skilled snipers after these terrorists, there would still be civilian casualties.
Looking at the graph you provided, drones have been responsible for 47 "High Profile" kills, but what are the 2358 "Other" kills? Can't be civilians nor children as these are listed earlier. Are these not so "High Profile" targets, but still terrorists?

 

[sooey]

I was not being sarcastic in the slightest Aron.

Christ alive you're thick. He was telling you that the post of his you quoted was sarcasm(you shouldn't have needed telling anyway). He wasn't accusing you of it. How do you get through the day?

 

[AronSearle]

Even if we sent skilled snipers after these terrorists, there would still be civilian casualties.

Skilled snipers or army personell vs double tap drone attacks.

Did you even read the link as to what those are.....?

As the drone circled it let off the first of its Hellfire missiles, slamming into a small house and reducing it to rubble. When residents rushed to the scene of the attack to see if they could help they were struck again.

According to reports at the time, three local rescuers were killed by a second missile whilst a further strike killed another three people five minutes later. In all, somewhere between 17 and 24 people are thought to have been killed in the attack.

The Datta Khel assault was just one of the more than 345 strikes that have hit Pakistan's tribal areas in the past eight years but it reveals an increasingly common tactic now being used in America's covert drone wars – the "double-tap" strike.

More and more, while the overall frequency of strikes has fallen since a Nato attack in 2011 killed 24 Pakistani soldiers and strained US-Pakistan relations, initial strikes are now followed up by further missiles in a tactic which lawyers and campaigners say is killing an even greater number of civilians. The tactic has cast such a shadow of fear over strike zones that rescuers often wait for hours before daring to visit the scene of an attack.

You actually support this?

Looking at the graph you provided, drones have been responsible for 47 "High Profile" kills, but what are the 2358 "Other" kills? Can't be civilians nor children as these are listed earlier. Are these not so "High Profile" targets, but still terrorists?

The category of victims we call “OTHER” is classified differently depending on the source. The Obama administration classifies any able-bodied male a military combatant unless evidence is brought forward to prove otherwise. This is a very grey area for us. These could be neighbors of a target killed. They may all be militants and a threat.