british jobs for British workers ?
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Err no, that wasn't me...I was just backing part of an assertion.
I'm just saying that the established EU countries workers have greater protection than ours...and that has been so for some time given the opt outs the UK has gained in several treaty negotiations over many years.
my mistake. Donkmeister wrote: "any other EU country." and "fact"
Bit of an exaggeration
You will find that the anti-Europeans in all EU countries, including the UK, like to say "we have a harder time than all the others, and we are the only honest ones who follow the rules"
It is almost invariably untrue.
Bit of an exaggeration
You will find that the anti-Europeans in all EU countries, including the UK, like to say "we have a harder time than all the others, and we are the only honest ones who follow the rules"
It is almost invariably untrue.
How about training some of the useless 3 million Brits so that they are capable of working and then get them to accept the need to work for a living ... That would be a f***ing good start.
Good to see you back in the saddle Josef.
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I have just come back from France. People don't like them much, but one things for sure they look after their own! preferring not to hand out French jobs to every Tom Dick, Harry that walks into the country.
There are loads of other countries that talk about open borders but block anything that would damage their country.
When in France I saw TONS of French cars being driven. They are proud to be French, which is more than can be said about living here.
Are we British, or just a vague mix misfits and mongrels, a place of steep decline.
Global village my ar*se, only when other countries are selling something to use!
Lets face it, we can't compete with any country these days?
There are loads of other countries that talk about open borders but block anything that would damage their country.
When in France I saw TONS of French cars being driven. They are proud to be French, which is more than can be said about living here.
Are we British, or just a vague mix misfits and mongrels, a place of steep decline.
Global village my ar*se, only when other countries are selling something to use!
Lets face it, we can't compete with any country these days?
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vinty
Whether or not British workers are more productive than foreigners is a bit of a red herring, the term 'Good work ethic' when applied to migrants is highly subjective, it can mean in some cases 'prepared to work for peanuts in dangerous conditions'.
If you have a British worker who is not prepared to risk his health and safety by climbing onto a dodgy scaffolding for example, then along comes a jobless romanian who says he will climb the scaffold for a fiver an hour , is this an example of the term 'Good work ethic'.
If you have a British worker who is not prepared to risk his health and safety by climbing onto a dodgy scaffolding for example, then along comes a jobless romanian who says he will climb the scaffold for a fiver an hour , is this an example of the term 'Good work ethic'.
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How many british chav's are on benefits, no intention of working? Professionally unemployed I call it, alot claiming invalidity although there is fook all wrong with them. Migrants such as the irish have built the railways, roads, housing estates etc etc since Victorian times. I have no problem with migrants who come to work and pay tax etc, asylum seekers on the other hand I would send the buggers back to where they came from.
And also live in dreadful conditions in order to accept the low wages, such as the overcrowded houses with 15 to 20 people in a semi we have locally.
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holmslaw
Cos ferst u ave ta teech em ow to reed an rite an spell an speek - innit.
Well, the "fact" and "EU country" - that's from personal experience working in very large pan-European companies all across Europe!
Every country has its employment laws, some are strict and designed to protect jobs, some to protect standard of living, ours is to protect the free market. However, the rest of the EU consists of:
1) countries with a more socialist ethos. Thus, by law, it is hard for a company to lay off workers unless it actually goes bust.
2) countries which are a lot poorer than us, are thus given subsidies and grants. These last two points make their labour artificially favourable, economically.
If I have 1000 workers in France and 1000 workers in the UK, and need to downsize to a total of 1800 workers, by far the easiest solution is to lay off 200 UK workers because there is a lot less red tape. A company of such size would offer seminars in CV writing and interview technique, just to prove it is doing its bit.
But, in France, such a company would have to prove beyond a doubt that it had taken every practicable effort to find the employees comparable employment elsewhere.
I am certainly not anti-EU, but my despite years of working across Europe my British-educated brain still can't cope with the concept of disobeying the rules or even that old British chestnut of "the spirit of the rules".
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vinty
Does this mean British workers should do the same in order to compete, i thought we had moved away from this sort of thing. Maybe we should import cut price politicians from Eastern Europe, they couldn't be any worse than what we have at the moment.
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no one asked him to do it, not the British blokes fault that they get undercut for refusing to disobey basic HSE rules. If they dont want to be 15 to a semi why dont they try and integrate onto society and become law abiding individuals, maybe then they wont be out climbing dodgy scaffolds for a fiver, then they can get somewhere nicer to live and better working conditions.
Then again i spend half my week sorting out the messes these bodgers leave behind.
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Rubbish.
If the British worker did climb the scaffolding and was seen doing so by Mr HSE, then all hell would break loose.
His British employer would no doubt be prosecuted and the poor worker made an example of and sacked.
When these immigrants break Hse rules they are normally answerable to an immigrant foreman.
They get moved on to another team of immigrants working to their own rules, and carry on putting up dodgy scaffolding.
Makes it virtually impossible to bring a prosecution against them, which in turn keeps their overheads low.
ps When did you last see a Hse person actually carrying out inspection on the highest scaffolding.
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