BT and fiber

[TAMD8389]

Hello all. I’ve heard and seen a new technically term called fibre. I want to know what this is and how is it connected and how does it differ from BT ?
My house has some bt master sockets but I think this won’t be compatible with fibre?
Is fibre really just marketing or is it better cabling?
I see people on the machine installing something to the by lamp pole and I’m guessing its fibre ?Could someone educate me please? Recently i did receive some great information about ev charging


Thank you

 

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[AndyPRK]

A new optical fibre installed to your house to carry data.
Will terminate inside, in a ONT (needs power) and this will then connect to your router.
You phone needs to connect into the router

Old master socket redundant. although you can use it to hook upto the router to transmit your phone around your house and generate a ringer singal for older phones (as not all do)

 

[TAMD8389]

A new optical fibre installed to your house to carry data.
Will terminate inside, in a ONT (needs power) and this will then connect to your router.
You phone needs to connect into the router

Old master socket redundant. although you can use it to hook upto the router to transmit your phone around your house and generate a ringer singal for older phones (as not all do)

Thank you. Very good information there.

Is that the reason why they are carrying out work near the telephone poles?

So who owns fiber? And can by only give it?

 

[ericmark]

Interesting videos, I at the moment have one non-wireless phone, so with a power failure I can phone the supplier, and say help. So with fibre one needs some sort of UPS (uninterruptible power supply) and the main question is who provides this? I do have a spare UPS socket in my kitchen, but at the moment my copper phone connection is in my hall, so who has to do the work involved to get the UPS to the fibre phone connection? And what would happen if I did not already have an UPS supply?

I know my mother has a telephone link to some call centre which would alert them if there was a power failure, will this still work? I know the telecare unit was battery backed, but the phone also needs to be battery backed.

Although we use the phone in the main to chat to people, the main reason for having one is safety, and being able to contact someone in an emergency, so the big question is will the phone work in an emergency, if not, no, thanks.

 

[AndyPRK]

OpenReach own fibre but many companies can sell its usage to you.

There is also City Fibre.

Help buttons for the elderly won’t work in power cut unless upgraded to SIM model I assume. There are adverts on Telly warning of this.

I came across this

IPower IP2100-12G Broadband Router UPS battery backup 12v DC 1A built in battery | eBay UK

Can provide power for up to 1 hour depending on the device connected. Turn on your device. Your device is now protected from a power cut. Built in Li-ion battery. Output Connectors - 2.1mm Jack. Input Connector - UK BS1363 Plug.

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Virgin provided me with a free SIM backup solution (landline phone could make 999 calls though a sim box) if router down.
There are battery solutions for OpenReach.

 

[morqthana]

Hello all. I’ve heard and seen a new technically term called fibre. I want to know what this is and how is it connected and how does it differ from BT ?

It doesn't.

BT is one of the ISPs who offer broadband over Openreach's infrastructure, be that copper, fibre, or a mix of each.

My house has some bt master sockets but I think this won’t be compatible with fibre?

If the "fibre" you're talking about is FTTC, then (I don't know if it's universal, but certainly BT ones do) broadband modems have a Type 600 socket on the back.

You can plug a phone in, or a cable the other end of which you wire into your internal phone cabling system. Of course, if you only want one landline phone, just plug it in.

If you go for FTTP then you'll need to choose a provider who offers VoIP and gives you an ONT with a phone socket on it, or sign up with a separate VoiP supplier and have an adapter which plugs into your router, or buy VoIP phone(s).

Is fibre really just marketing or is it better cabling?

No and yes.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I know my mother has a telephone link to some call centre which would alert them if there was a power failure, will this still work? I know the telecare unit was battery backed, but the phone also needs to be battery backed.

For weeks, on TV, they have been running an ad, saying people with these systems, and fibre, need to let their ISP know, so they can ensure their router etc., can be fitted with a battery.

 

[AndyPRK]

Yeah generally an old landline is better. Always works. Don’t need to dial an STD code like you do with EE/BT


But my supplier cranked the price up so i caved in to save money. Will have to do it at some point anyway.

 

[AndyPRK]

Other routers like Vodafone Virgin Sky use RJ11 phone sockets and no ring output.

 

[morqthana]

So with fibre one needs some sort of UPS (uninterruptible power supply) and the main question is who provides this?

Thanks to Ofcom's usual spinelessness, the customer has to provide it.

I do have a spare UPS socket in my kitchen, but at the moment my copper phone connection is in my hall, so who has to do the work involved to get the UPS to the fibre phone connection?

You do.

And what would happen if I did not already have an UPS supply?

Buy one.

I know my mother has a telephone link to some call centre which would alert them if there was a power failure, will this still work? I know the telecare unit was battery backed, but the phone also needs to be battery backed.

Openreach pushed back the shutdown of POTS more than once to let care and alarm companies to get their act together. Whether your mother's has or not you'd have to determine.

Although we use the phone in the main to chat to people, the main reason for having one is safety, and being able to contact someone in an emergency, so the big question is will the phone work in an emergency, if not, no, thanks.

Whether you opt for fibre broadband or not, you cannot escape the shutdown of the analogue phone service, and you are going to end up with either no hard-wired phone, or one which is hard wired but doesn't work without power to the ONT/modem/router.

 

[crystal ball]

For weeks, on TV, they have been running an ad, saying people with these systems, and fibre, need to let their ISP know, so they can ensure their router etc., can be fitted with a battery.

My MIL has a lifeline alert button, we had a letter from BT that said they will ensure continuity

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

My MIL has a lifeline alert button, we had a letter from BT that said they will ensure continuity

If no one tell them, they will not be aware of the need.

 

[SUNRAY]

Other routers like Vodafone Virgin Sky use RJ11 phone sockets and no ring output.

So how would you know the phoneline is being called?

 

[morqthana]

I wonder if people are getting carried away with the UPS thing, and if for almost everybody there's an answer in the 80/20, or even 90/10 space, at least in theory.

It seems daft to have a battery, which powers a fancy inverter which produces a nice 230V sine-wave which then powers a power supply which then produces low-voltage DC to work the broadband equipment.

Why not just have the battery and charger, and some kind of automatic changeover switch which kicks in and powers the broadband equipment directly from the battery? Would it be a seamless changeover in the event of a power cut? No. Can most people put up with their connection being down for a minute after a power cut, while the equipment re-establishes the connection? Yes.