Builder overcharging?

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i dont begrudge anyone who does a good job making good money, good for them for taking the risk to work for themselves! teachers still get paid through the hols (i dont object)
 
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Having just read through the whole of this thread a couple things jump out

1. You were given a quote, job done to satisfaction, invoice for same amount, If the builder hadn't given a time span, would you have accepted the quote, builders have thousands of pounds worth of tools and a van, insurance, etc that need servicing , updating and paying for, this all has to come out of any money made on a job where such items are used.

2. Erica (ureka) is just an internet troll who revels on all your replies, IGNORE!!

3. you can spend £10k on a car but don't expect the latest Ferrari, like most things in life you pay for what you get
 
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No cowboys exist everywhere, buts shows like cowboy builders make the people think we are there to rip you off which we are not. When asked if you had to had to get them back, your answer sounds like you believe all tradesmen overcharge. There is nothing anybody can do to or say to change your mind. When I need my car I take my car to the garage any main dealer will charge over £40 an hour. Its a lot of money now I will need the problem fixed and as I can't fix it I accept the cost as I can't fix

At least the car dealer will have to pay tax, while for a tradesman 40 Pound an hour is his net wage.

Apart from that, rip-offs exist everywhere. It's a capitalist society, and in a way tradesmen follow the same trend: Take as much as you can.
 
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Agreed a customer to be avoided,
if Erica walked into shop to buy a pair of shoes or handbag she pays the price on the sales ticket, She knows the price, "take it or leave it"
Why should a builder be any different

Because building work is not a pair of shoes.

What a strange comparison.

Compare the price of shoes around the High Street or the Internet you will find there is a difference in price for the Identical ones wherever you go, and they are unlikely to change their price because someone else prices the goods lower, its all down to "Overheads" in Business


The same for a Builders quote, Different prices to have the same work done,
Pay your money take your choice. If you dont like it go elsewhere

With shoes I see what I get. I can inspect them, I can try them on, walk around with them, and if I don't like them, I put them back on the shelf.

If it was as easy as that with tradesmen, there would be no problem.
 
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Erika you have just proved what a glue less person you are I pay all my tax if you don't pay the tax the taxman just makes up an amount from previous tax returns what do you do for a job just right crapy messages I m sorry but you are pathetic
 
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Yes also remember that a lot of trades men will have done a 4 year apprenticeship and a lot of these jobs we do day in day out , you are not just paying for our time also our skill ,

The guys with four year apprenticeships are the top of the range. Unfortunately, for most building work you don't need any formal qualification whatsoever. Any idiot with a trowel can call himself a "builder", and for becoming self-employed he only needs a van. This opens the market for all sorts of shady characters who range from "completely clueless" to "downright dishonest".
 
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Erica is right, but the same is also true about customers who get the work they wanted done at the price they agreed then try to renage on it and argue the cost down because the tradesman made it look easy.

edit: said she was right about her comment about having to be wary and sceptical of tradesmen, which she appears to have since deleted.

The post is still there:

PostPosted: Thu Jan 09, 2014 1:11 am

I don't know how often customers refuse to pay for a job, when the job has been done to satisfaction. The only thing you can do, if you've been overcharged, is to find another workman.
 
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Erika you have just proved what a glue less person you are I pay all my tax if you don't pay the tax the taxman just makes up an amount from previous tax returns what do you do for a job just right crapy messages I m sorry but you are pathetic

If the customer pays cash in hand (and to my experience this is what most tradesmen expect) the taxman knows nothing about the income. It's a net wage for the builder.
 
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I did 2 years compulsory at college plus work placement in my 3rd year advanced craft then in my fourth year I went on to do my HNC finished my apprenticeship and 5th year I carried on with my HNC going to night school 3 night a week I worked hard to get what I have and learned even now I still want to learn and pass on what I have learned I got awards at the college for being one of the best in the class.
 
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I don't know how often customers refuse to pay for a job, when the job has been done to satisfaction.
Neither do I. but you seem to be able to assume that most builders pocket all cash, which I think is a very unfair assumption!

There are quite a few that either don't pay or don't pay in full, they are quite happy to have you paying out for materials, skips hire tools etc.. arranging for deliveries of them and traveling to their property for the required time it takes to do the work and complete the tasks. Then during the process of this work they are happy to alter, change and add on other work, then when it comes to final payment, dispute the price and refuse to pay, regardless of the quality of work.
Then when it comes to me filling the self assessment form, there is not a box that asks you to declare loss of earnings due to non payment by rogue customers!
Which would include non-payment and loss of other contracts whilst you have been doing the unpaid work!
The only thing you can do, if you've been overcharged, is to find another workman.

Well that's not true as I have said some don't pay, some dispute and haggle on price and there is always trading standards.
If you agree a price that has been quoted and that work has been done to a satisfactory standard, then you have not been overcharged, if the work takes ten minutes or ten days this is not a factor on the price quoted!

I think you may have had a bad experience, which has scarred you and given you a heavily biased opinion against tradesmen in general.
I suggest in future you research your tradesmen well, then make an informed decision based on that research, then agree a price and the quality expected based on that price, then ask for contracts to be exchanged.
If asked I am always willing to show quality of my work, offer genuine testimonies of my work and if you want to look at the certificates/quals I have attained over the years, I have a folder full, that is available.
I am also a member of trade organisations, where I can be checked up and there are compliant procedures that can be made against me, if they are required.
Don't get it into your head that this is all one way traffic, there are many despicable customer out there, that when they require work to be done there objectives are on completion not to pay or not pay in full. Unfortunately BCC, ITV, CH4, CH5 etc.. Don't seem to think this would make good TV viewing.....
 
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