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Latest site report from building regs inspector outlines the following:

1. Requested timber noggins to the first floor joists where sitting into joist hangers below the new first floor extension to prevent twisting of the joists.
What does this mean?

2. The trimmers to the two roof lights are not as shown on the architects design details. The larger roof light is shown to have four number timber trimmers either side and the smaller one is shown to have three. Only two trimmers have been provided around each roof light. Discussed this with the builder and he will rectify this.
What is the difference between a roof trimmer and a joist - is it simply one spans the full length of the room and a trimmer a shorter distance? Why are they called "trimmers"?

3. The pad stones provided under the steel beams to the rear wall have not been installed as per the architects design details. A single engineering brick has been provided. The design details indicate a dense concrete block. Advised that a dense concrete block should be provided as designed or three courses of engineering bricks installed to achieve the equivalent area of a block to spread the load onto the light weight block below. The builder will rectify this.
This seems a bit stupid for the builder not to follow the plans. Whilst the contractor indicated he will get this correct, in the scheme of things, how serious / big an error is this that he should have known better?

4. The external wall to the first floor rear extension has been built up to wall plate level. No cavity tray has been provided within the cavity masonry at the abutment with the flat roof. The builder is to remove the external skin and insulation and ensure that a cavity tray is installed which will be linked with the flashing to the flat roof. Weep holes are also to be provided above the tray.
We don't have a cavity tray or weep holes on the ground floor extension, so why the second floor? Could it be because we have solid concrete floors at ground level?

5. Discussed the existing first floor joists over the kitchen area. The ends of these joists have been notched considerably over the newly installed steel beams. It is understood that these beams will need to be replaced as their span is to be increased slightly due to the removal of an existing wall to the rear of the kitchen area. The span of these joists is approximately 4.5m. The replacement joists will need to be either 50mm x 200mm C24 grade timber or 75mm x 175mm C24 timber. At 400mm centres, both of these joist sizes are at their limit for a span of 4.5m and are acceptable however, it may be advisable to close up the centres of these joists to reduce any spring in the floor. Any notching of the joists should be kept to a minimum.
Is it not normal to notch out joists to fit into an RSJ? Also what is C26 grading and how do the C gradings work i.e what differentiates between the ranges?
How do they close up the centre of the joists?

6. There are areas of the external walls where brick work has been used in place of the light weight block work. Advised that the block work should be cut and block work used instead of brick work to minimise cold bridging. However, it is understood that the internal walls are to be dry lined with an insulated plasterboard therefore this will minimise the cold bridging issue.
Do light weight blocks have better thermal or insulation properties than bricks? How much better are they out of curiosity?


Is it normal for building inspectors to comment on remedial work for all builders, even good ones. Do they always find things to point out or do builders here go through extensions etc without any negative comments?





 
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It means that you've got a better inspector than builder. He's found stuff which is wrong and needs correcting.

TBH, it's all self explanitory
 
He is a private building inspector.
 
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Your builders attention to detail is lacking. These items are important structural issues and have been overlooked. They are also pretty basic and routine.

1. Requested timber noggins to the first floor joists
What does this mean?
Pieces of wood the same size as the floor joists fitted snugly between the joist gaps and at 90 degrees to the joists forming solid bridging.


2. The trimmers to the two roof lights are not as shown on the architects design details. The larger roof light is shown to have four number timber trimmers either side and the smaller one is shown to have three. Only two trimmers have been provided around each roof light. Discussed this with the builder and he will rectify this.
What is the difference between a roof trimmer and a joist - is it simply one spans the full length of the room and a trimmer a shorter distance? Why are they called "trimmers"?
He has doubled up on the rafters/joists around the opening when he should have done twice that.

3. The pad stones provided under the steel beams to the rear wall have not been installed as per the architects design details. A single engineering brick has been provided. The design details indicate a dense concrete block. for the builder not to follow the plans. Whilst the contractor indicated he will get this correct, in the scheme of things, how serious / big an error is this that he should have known better?
Not a massive error to put right but basic stuff. Everybody obeys the engineers drawings and should not contradict them unless they have reliable information to the contrary.
4. The external wall to the first floor rear extension has been built up to wall plate level. No cavity tray has been provided within the cavity masonry at the abutment with the flat roof. The builder is to remove the external skin and insulation and ensure that a cavity tray is installed which will be linked with the flashing to the flat roof. Weep holes are also to be provided above the tray.

We don't have a cavity tray or weep holes on the ground floor extension, so why the second floor? Could it be because we have solid concrete floors at ground level?
This is waz one. The builder is either naïve or daft. Whilst I'm not a big believer in retro fitting CT's, we do always fit them as part of an on-going build. Cavity trays are there to prevent driven rain seepage and interstitial condensation entering a building when an outside wall becomes an inside wall.

5. Discussed the existing first floor joists over the kitchen area. The ends of these joists have been notched considerably over the newly installed steel beams. It is understood that these beams will need to be replaced as their span is to be increased slightly due to the removal of an existing wall to the rear of the kitchen area. The span of these joists is approximately 4.5m. The replacement joists will need to be either 50mm x 200mm C24 grade timber or 75mm x 175mm C24 timber. At 400mm centres, both of these joist sizes are at their limit for a span of 4.5m and are acceptable however, it may be advisable to close up the centres of these joists to reduce any spring in the floor. Any notching of the joists should be kept to a minimum.
Is it not normal to notch out joists to fit into an RSJ? Also what is C26 grading and how do the C gradings work i.e what differentiates between the ranges?
How do they close up the centre of the joists?
There is more that one way to connect joists to an RSJ. The web can be filed with timber and jiffy hangers used as to avoid notching. Your builder lacks foresight.

6. There are areas of the external walls where brick work has been used in place of the light weight block work. Adised that the block work should be cut and block work used instead of brick work to minimise cold bridging. However, it is understood that the internal walls are to be dry lined with an insulated plasterboard therefore this will minimise the cold bridging issue.
Do light weight blocks have better thermal or insulation properties than bricks? How much better are they out of curiosity?
Had to laugh at this one. Is your builder a caveman? Has he been out the trade for a while?

Is it normal for building inspectors to comment on remedial work for all builders, even good ones. Do they always find things to point out or do builders here go through extensions etc without any negative comments?
The clue is in the name.....

These aren't negative commets, rather glaring and mundane errors by your builder. Building inspectors tire of having to tell inexperienced builders how to do their job. They often moan when their next visit is a DIYer or a pants builder for fear of "dreading what I'm going to see next", kinda thing.
 
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We have one inspector at Staffs LA who is very diligent and I always ask for him specifically for visits. He is always the one I ask to speak to if I have any queries or require any info'. This guy misses nothing on site but is always willing to offer advice and always pre-warns me of any impending changes.
Some builders do dislike him though.
 
Is it normal for building inspectors to comment on remedial work for all builders, even good ones. Do they always find things to point out or do builders here go through extensions etc without any negative comments?
If the builder has made a mistake ( or intentionally done a poor job for some reason ) then the building inspector should and will comment on it. It is in the best intersts of the person employing the builder that poor work is mentioned and that dangerous work is rectified.

From a DIY point of view the building inspectors are a valuable source of advice and encouragement provided the DIY accepts and acts on their constructive critique of plans and progress.
 
To answer some of your other questions..

A trimmer is usually shorter than a stud or joist as it provides support only to a certain element that is installed part way along a joist or stud. The building trade is full of obscure terms of reference, best to read a glossary. A half bat is half a brick, for example. Regional variations add further confusion

Weep holes are relatively new ideas, was your gf extension built earlier?

Notching of joists isn't advisable as it can mean you have to treat the entire joist as though it were as slim as the slimmest part thanks to the notch, which may then mean it fails to cover the span

C grading is a rating of the strength of the timber as assessed at some point in the timber's life journey to your site. Grading is done mechanically or by specifically trained people. The higher the number he stronger the timber but I don't know if it's related to a certain amount of force required to deform it. Google for more informative articles
By closing up joist centres he means move the joists closer together so instead of 10 at 600mm spacings you have 15 at 450 spacings for example. This provides additional support so the weakening introduced by notching is negated

Block u values vary, so you need to check the specs, but you may find that a dense block is ten times more thermally transparent than an aerated concrete block.
 
Thanks cjard, very helpful. My builder said something about less knots in higher grade timber so that also contributes in addition to other characteristics maybe.

The ground floor extension has been built at the same time as the second storey.
 

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