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Discussion in 'Electrics UK' started by chucky76, 28 Jan 2021.

  1. chucky76

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    That's a lot to take in but thank you All for the input.

    I may have located the guy working under a new company. Will try to make contact again. Going back over emails he did say he would give me the certificate when he popped by to add the earth Tags?? Does that make sense? If this is the case and I can contact him and he's not a dick would that mean the job wasn't officially finished hence the within 30day would still be valid?
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  3. chucky76

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    That's a lot to take in but thank you All for the input.

    I may have located the guy working under a new company. Will try to make contact again. Going back over emails he did say he would give me the certificate when he popped by to add the earth Tags?? Does that make sense? If this is the case and I can contact him and he's not a dick would that mean the job wasn't officially finished hence the within 30day would still be valid?
    Cheers.
     
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    It does but over two years now.

    Well, the thirty days is irrelevant as only you and the electrician know when the work was actually done but he has let you down.

    Do you remember with which body he was registered? NICEIC, ELECSA, Certsure :), NAPIT or possibly a couple others.
     
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    The earth tags?

    Let's hope all earthing and bonding is connected up......
     
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    I was rather 'assuming' (always dangerous!) that he was talking about the metal 'labels' to attach to the earthing clamps - but, of course, I might be wrong!

    Kind Regards, John
     
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  7. chucky76

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    he's with NAPIT.
     
  8. chucky76

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    thats the one. the labels.
     
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  9. Taylortwocities

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    First off, its important to remember that Local Authorities have a statutory duty to process Building Notices and Building Control Application Forms under the Building Act 1984.
    Larger building works
    To do a lot of larger building works and (sadly a diminishing amount of) electrical works one needs to raise a building notice, etc. When you do this, the application form asks
    Part P: Will there be any new electrical circuits installed? Yes ... or No .... . Is your electrician part P registered? Yes ....... or No ...................... .
    Assuming you reply yes, then LABC basically abdicates responsibility for completion and notification of the electrical works to the "Part P registered" electrician and his CPS.
    (There are a number of avenues if you answer no, but lets not go there for this discussion).

    As part of the building works LABC may well visit the site for many reasons, inspection of footings, general stage inspections, etc. Sometimes the LABC person may be asking trades on site about how things are done on site. "where is the extractor fan going in this utility room?", "do those socket heights comply with Part M" and other questions - usually pet gotchas that the LABC likes to catch unsuspecting electricians on.

    At the end of the project, LABC will often visit the site for final approval. LABC will then prepare completion of the building notice, but this will not be fully completed until they have received NOTIFICATION of completion from the electrician's CPS*. They will get this when the electrician SELF NOTIFIES to their CPS that he/she has done the work.
    There may be other notiifications required from other trades. Part J compliance from a Hetas installer for a woodburning stove for instance. Once all the paperwork ducks are in a row then the project can be completed. Note that LABC does not see, and is not interested in, the BS7671 Certificate of Installation. This is given by the electrician to the client.
    *A copy of this is also sent to the client, per my earlier post.

    Smaller projects. As you know, most smaller notifiable electrical works can be done, by registered electricians, without a building notice. A replacement consumer unit, for instance.
    The electrician rocks up, does the work, gives the client an installation certificate, notifies their CPS. Certification of Completion goes to LABC and the client.
    This will be the first that LABC know about this notifiable work, but the notice from the CPS is sufficient for them to be confident that the responsibility for it being done properly rests with the CPS and their registered electrician,


    The LABC files the completion with the property details so that, later, and enquiry about electrical work perhaps as part of a house sale can be answered.

    So self certification and self notification (where works are required to be notified) applies in both cases.
     
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    so update. I have thanks to the power of google tracked down the electrician that did the work. Was able to speak with him this AM and after some very vague excuses he says he will sort this... However he went down the following line which seems a little bit bullshite but would love any opinions.

    He says that he will speak to BC about options however he's changed his company and has new registration details with NAPIT which means he cant sign off the work as he did it under his previous registration? sounds a bit stinky but lets park that for now. He wants to do an electrical safety certificate and submit that, he says he will talk to BControl about it and come back to me?

    Does that sound right or full of Horse Poop?

    cheers
     
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    I mislaid the completion and compliance certificates for my mothers house, so I applied to the LABC for replacements, I was told it would take 4 months, which clearly was not going to be any good for selling house, and they would charge me however long it took them to find them. Solicitor said no problem he can take out some form of insurance instead, however I then did find them.

    Since I had done some of the work and submitted the installation certificate to the LABC I could have made out a new installation certificate to say what I wanted. There was nothing on the completion certificate which said what installation certificate it refereed to, I had six certificates two compliance and one completion and three installation and nothing said which refereed to which and what had be renewed and what was original as the three stages of rewiring took place. So in real terms they are useless.

    Before the LABC inspector decided he would accept my installation certificate he wanted to use a third party electrician to do the inspection, it seemed the council had a list of people from whom they would accept an EICR from, and I would need to use one off their list, and they would engage him to do the work, as it needed to be to current standards the EICR forms were used, but in real terms they were doing an installation certificate.

    I was also lead to believe there is a time limit, if work has been done which required a completion certificate after so long if the council has not realised it has not been requested or issued, they no longer required it, not a clue how long it is.

    When Part P started it was inferred the council would keep records of installation certificates, but it seems the scheme providers never get the certificate they have some on line system to tell them the work complies, and they it seems also tell the LABC with some on line system, if the installation and compliance or completion certificate were stapled together or had some unique code to link them OK, but since it seems that does not exist, in real terms it is no more than a tax.

    I was given the certificates for this house, as if it was for the whole house, but it only actually covered the flat under the house. So no real point. What it resulted in was my solicitor did not ask to the insurance as he thought paperwork had been provided.
     
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    Many thanks for your detailed description of the process.
    That's broadly what I assumed, but I started getting confused when EFLI appeared to be doubting that that communication between CPS and LABC happened (which made little sense to me) - as per these exchanges...
    Kind Regards, John
     
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    Dont know about the registration change but isnt there the problem that in the 2 years since he finished he doesnt know if its still as he left it, and thats why he wants to do a safety inspection? Whether you should have to pay for that is another matter but I think the legal position might be that if you didnt pursue him at the time you will have to.
     
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    Oh I tried to find him. Emails. Phone calls. Voice mails. Its hard when people don't want to be found.
     
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    For what it's worth the gas process is similar. Installer notifies Gas safe who then notify LABC and a Building Regulations Compliance Certificate would then be issued.
     
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    On the other hand
    there are people who are here, all the time, in your face, going over the same ground over and over again.

    just saying.
     
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