Code Operated Locks

[suts89]

Thinking about installing a code operated door lock to my front door, something similar to the likes of these http://www.ironmongerydirect.co.uk/products/locks_latches_and_security/code_operated_locks

Pictures below show the door in the question. Question is this doabale and do i need to be aware of any obvious pitfalls?

Cheers

 

[Gazman16]

It looks like the handles in your link are quite small and wouldn't cover or protect the holes or locking gear that would be exposed when you take the old one off.

Take a look at the Yale keyfree lock as it is designed for composite doors, It has the added bonus of remote keyfobs. https://www.yaledoor.co.uk/keyless-door-locks?gclid=CIeA3JeT-8ECFeHHtAod7BcAag

One thing that might pose a problem is you seem to have quite a small PZ size (top screw to center of spindle), See here how to measure handles:
http://www.handlestore.com/info/sizes-upvc-door-handles/

The size guide may not apply properly with the keyfree handle, TBH I dont know as I haven't fitted one yet so do some research and ask questions.

There is one on ebay cheap at the mo http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yale-Key-...3?pt=UK_HaG_Lock_Safes_GL&hash=item23449e6155

another option may be adding a second lock and not locking the main key lock. Again this is made for composite doors https://www.yaledoor.co.uk/digital-rim-lock.

 

[suts89]

Gazman 16,

Thanks for your brilliant informative reply.

The Yale keyfree certainly looks like what i am after. I have measured my current lock and it looks like i have a PZ of 92mm.

Fixing hole centres = 200mm
Top fixing hole to lever centre = 45mm
Lever centre to keyhole centre = 92mm

The unit available on Ebay states it is suitable for a 92 PZ but doesnt give all of the dimensions.

With regards the top and bottom fixing hole locations, is the door designed for these to go basically anywhere?

I spoke with Yale this morning (online chat service) they informed me the lock can be retrofitted to a door with a multi point locking system. They would do it for 495 quid !!!!

I,m now thinking this could work??

Any other thoughts would be welcomed.

Cheers

Si

 

[Gazman16]

At that price on ebay it may well be worth just buying it so you can offer it up to the door and see if it will go. I think the shop price on them is about £200 so it shouldn't be too hard to sell on if it dosent work out.

Once you have it you can offer it upto the door and mark where new fixing holes would need to be drilled. Then just remove the locking gear from the door to make sure you wont be drilling through anything important before you do it.

 

[Gazman16]

You may want to buy it soon as Im half tempted to buy it just to play with it lol

 

[suts89]

So do you think it is doable on my door?

Looks like he has 4 for sale on Ebay..

Cheers

Si

 

[Gazman16]

In theory yes it should be fine

 

[suts89]

Ok It arrived today, and is a lovely looking bit of kit.

My door expert is coming for a look tomorrow, in the meantime i offered it up against my door and although it is huge i,m not sure its going to cover my old bottom fixing hole

Will report back soon.

Gazman 16 you wanna buy it if it doesnt fit??

 

[Gazman16]

Haha! My evil plan worked.... I will offer you £80 lol

Not the end of the world if a fixing hole is left exposed, It could be covered with a small chrome or stainless steel blanking plate.

 

[suts89]

Now your talking gazman

Got any links or further details of these "blanks" you mention?

Cheers

Si

 

[Gazman16]

how about something this:
http://www.screwfix.com/p/victorian-escutcheon-set-polished-chrome-38mm/74341

Use an external one inside and out and it will just look like you have extra locks, Maybe glue the outside one shut

 

[suts89]

Gazman,

Thanks again for another good tip.

Cheers

Si

 

[suts89]

Ok its in!!

I would be lying if i said it wasnt a bit of battle and i propably would have struggled without my Joiner man.

New fixing holes had to be drilled, the hole for the spindle needed to opened up somewhat. The lock doesnt come with a template for the holes so that was a bit of a muck on.

Once offered up at both sides the fixing screws and barrels didnt appear to match up exactly, some brute force was required.

Once fitted the user interface is very slick and easy to set up, very impressed.

THink i,m just going to fill the old fixing hole with some silicone, finish it off with wood filler, rub it down and paint.



Cheers for your help Gazman

 

[Gazman16]

Awesome!
Do keep us posted on how well it lasts and if you ever have any problems/breakdowns. I never seem to have much luck with remote keyfobs.

If you know the make of the door you could get a small pot of touchup paint from the manufacturer. The make may be stamped or printed around the edge of the door or on the frame.

 

[nflowers]

I'd be a bit concerned with the following quote from Yale's web site:

"With Yale Keyfree, we haven’t just considered security from the outside; we’ve got it covered from the inside too.
Even when you’re safely locked in from the outside, you never need to hunt for that key. This is because from the inside only, simply turning the handle will unlock your door!"

Although a good safety benefit for exit during fire etc. can someone poke a bent coathanger though the letterbox and pull the handle down to get in?

Also, my insurance policy explicitly requires "handles with key operation on both sides." Hopefully you have a less restrictive policy!