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[Brigadier]

I said IF 'coloured' IS offensive then 'of colour' is just as bad unless I am missing some connotation about the 'ed'.

Because you're only looking at the words.
Look at Sod's signage from the time.

"Colored" (sic) was appropriated in a certain context, to indicate that black people were not welcome in certain settings.
"of colour" (or "of color") was not.
Logically and being consistent, if the signs in the USA had read "People of colour not allowed", "PoC" might have become a derogatory term instead.

So, what about the 'no blacks' signs in London? Doesn't seem to matter; why not?

Life isn't logical. Also perhaps, "black" is accepted / embraced by black people?

 

[sircerebus666]

R5 live

(Sarcasm mode on) oh that confirms it, it must be true! (Sarcasm mode off)

 

[sircerebus666]

R5 live

(Sarcasm mode on) oh that confirms it, it must be true! (Sarcasm mode off)

 

[durhamplumber]

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[durhamplumber]

(Sarcasm mode on) oh that confirms it, it must be true! (Sarcasm mode off)

Ok Captain Obvious..You pass the initiation test for clever twæt.

 

[Munroast]

Because you're only looking at the words.
Look at Sod's signage from the time.

"Colored" (sic) was appropriated in a certain context, to indicate that black people were not welcome in certain settings.
"of colour" (or "of color") was not.
Logically and being consistent, if the signs in the USA had read "People of colour not allowed", "PoC" might have become a derogatory term instead.

That is the best explanation I have heard for this nonsensical play on words. Words and phrases only becoming derogatory when used in a derogatory way, so yes 'color-bar' signs from the USA could well be the catalyst here.

I do appreciate that historically they have been treated terribly, but there does seem to be a rather big chip on the shoulder at the moment, I'm getting a bit fed up of hearing how badly they are treated in society although in fairness much of the bleating seems to be from the white looney left who just seem to love being offended on behalf of others.

 

[sodthisforfun]

I do appreciate that historically they have been treated terribly, but there does seem to be a rather big chip on the shoulder at the moment, I'm getting a bit fed up of hearing how badly they are treated in society although in fairness much of the bleating seems to be from the white looney left who just seem to love being offended on behalf of others.

'Chip on the shoulder' I find an interesting choice of words.
I see it as perhaps finally people will listen, change their ways and stop any unfairness based on skin colour. That unfairness exists..

If we get a few perpetually offended white folk, so be it. It's not the worst thing that could happen, esp if they also help bring change

 

[Munroast]

'Chip on the shoulder' I find an interesting choice of words.
I see it as perhaps finally people will listen, change their ways and stop any unfairness based on skin colour. That unfairness exists..

If we get a few perpetually offended white folk, so be it. It's not the worst thing that could happen, esp if they also help bring change

I think here in the UK that change happened a few decades ago. I think racism in the UK started to disappear back in the 90s. Most ethnic groups in the UK do very well, the only true bar to success is the lack of hard work and effort. Just look at the BBC to see the disproportionate make up of ethnicity that are in the top camera facing roles.

 

[sodthisforfun]

I think here in the UK that change happened a few decades ago. I think racism in the UK started to disappear back in the 90s. Most ethnic groups in the UK do very well, the only true bar to success is the lack of hard work and effort. Just look at the BBC to see the disproportionate make up of ethnicity that are in the top camera facing roles.

I disagree. I do think things started to improve a couple of decades ago... but it's nowhere near anything fair yet.

It doesn't take much reading to see that we've still a way to go here in the UK. Looking at a few presenters on the BBC doesn't represent the whole of the UK.

 

[festive]

I think here in the UK that change happened a few decades ago. I think racism in the UK started to disappear back in the 90s. Most ethnic groups in the UK do very well, the only true bar to success is the lack of hard work and effort. Just look at the BBC to see the disproportionate make up of ethnicity that are in the top camera facing roles.

So well said thanks Munroist.

 

[festive]

I disagree. I do think things started to improve a couple of decades ago... but it's nowhere near anything fair yet.

It doesn't take much reading to see that we've still a way to go here in the UK. Looking at a few presenters on the BBC doesn't represent the whole of the UK.

Really? Do you know the proportional representations and how that translates? Have you been in a company where they actively seek ethnicity over skillset to ensure the boxes are ticked? 'The same old we best not 'look' like we're excluding X in case they take offence. When in reality it should be all about the best person for the job. In all places i have ever worked right down to my first job years ago where i was the minority in appearance there too, not saying it doesn't exist but i've worked in some global corps employing tens of thousands to small and each time they have all been impeccably well behaved, i am well travelled too, to see where it hasn't worked so well.

Reminds me not long ago a certain comedy panel being made to regulate the ratio of comediennes to comedians. Same thing, if you're funny you've got the job end of, age sex nationality etc is not a factor imho. For example my partner doesn't find female comedians funny (most) i concur on the whole although i do absolutely love Katheryne Ryan but we digress.

Look at Premier football teams, look at Formula 1 even, i think both show if you are good skin colour doesn't have anything to do with it. Idiot fans will be idiots and they should be called out and banned whether its racist sexist or any abuse to ANY person.

 

[Brigadier]

I think here in the UK that change happened a few decades ago. I think racism in the UK started to disappear back in the 90s. Most ethnic groups in the UK do very well, the only true bar to success is the lack of hard work and effort. Just look at the BBC to see the disproportionate make up of ethnicity that are in the top camera facing roles.

I disagree. I do think things started to improve a couple of decades ago... but it's nowhere near anything fair yet.

It doesn't take much reading to see that we've still a way to go here in the UK. Looking at a few presenters on the BBC doesn't represent the whole of the UK.

I think you are both right.
What I would say though, is it depends on where you live, and who you associate with.
That a number of "fans" hurl abuse doesn't make racism common throughout the UK.
Conversely, that a number of people treat people of any hue equally fairly doesn't make racism absent.

Looking at a few presenters on the BBC doesn't represent the whole of the UK.

I don't think Munroist was making that point. I thought that his point was that hard work and talent was rewarded on its own merits, and demonstrably so, in some areas.
That's the way I read it anyway