Composite Door Offset Pad Handle Questions

[ABN]

Getting a new composite door and would like the lock to operate as close a possible to the nightlatch lock as fitted to my existing wooden door. Seems no one offers composite doors with just a nightlatch.

Main considerations

a) You can open to door from the inside without the use of a key

b ) When you leave you just have to close the door without the need to lock it with a key

c) The door is effectively locked just by closing it without the need to use a key. Multi point locking being done just by lifting the lever if required. Personally if the door is locked and as secure as with the nightlatch happy to not to have the multi point locking engaged when leaving the house.

I think the Offset Pad Handle would fit the bill but getting conflicting information from different local double glazing/door installing companies. Some are saying that you still need to lock it with a key both when leaving and after entering. Also none have the answers to the following 2 points and I can’t find any definitive info anywhere

Do they have automatic anti-slip/anti-thrust protection when the door is just closed without the multi point locking being engaged or key turned?

Do they have a way to hold the latch in so that if you just pop out you can’t get locked out?

 

[crank39]

If you want it to lock as you close the door then you don't need a lever handle at all. What you need is something like a Winkhaus AV2 multipoint lock, there will be no lever or pad handles at all, this type of mechanism is fitted when you also specify a pole handle, so from outside you just pull the door shut, how the mechanism works is when the door closes into the frame a little snib is pressed in and this throws the hooks and locks the door, to enter you just put the key in and turn and this retracts the hooks, from inside you have the same pole handle and a thumbturn cylinder - turning the thumbturn to retract the hooks, you can if you want fit lever handles but these won't be required to be lifted because the door is effectively a slam lock, you can however push the handle down to retract the hooks instead of using the key.......I think!

Your last two questions then no and no

autoLock AV2 | Winkhaus https://share.google/N1yMsMGJqJZy2morz

 

[ABN]

Thank you for the quick reply.
I am trying to avoid slam shut.

I started looking for doors a couple of years ago but had to put it on the backburner but starting again now. They had a slam shut door in their showroom and I did have great difficulty opening it so I contacted the manufacturer who said they don't recommend them for older persons who may experience difficulty turning the handle. Perhaps it was just badly hung I don't know.

The company has been operating for many many years so have a lot of experience.

A couple of months ago that company was installing windows to one of my neighbours, there was a man in a suit overseeing the work I assume a manager. I asked him how the slam shut doors were fairing after my previous experience. He said that due to the level of complaints / problems he installed slam shut in his own house to get first hand experience. He said that provided he oiled them at least once a month there was not a problem.

Also there is video from rockdoors(?) showing that you may need to pull the door towards you to get the key working when trying to get in which can also cause problems for children. So don`t really feel confident with slam shut.

Here is the video

Although the video is not by rockdoors I think I got the link from them

 

[crank39]

Well if you want a door that locks itself as you close it but you don't want a slam lock then I'm not sure there are many if any other options for you because a door that locks itself is a slam lock