Computer hacking..

7 Layer OSI model anyone?

As per..
The usual Daily Mail readers don't understand anything as per, so to update the IPv4 is the IP system we use for web addresses. Apple don't use that. MS invented their own system, that is insecure, hence why PC's with Windows get viruses, so they can sell more antivirus products to us. IPv6, is being trialled, by Yahoo, and Facebook among others, to extend the IP range, as they have run out of IP addresses

I believe Apple is the computer of choice in America, so not a case of numbers vs virus incidents..more like MS reinvented the wheel, and got it badly wrong. Again. Why are Apple computers far and beyond more reliable, require less bug fixes, and far less updates? But use the same architecture? Because MS reinvented IPv4 for their own ends, and now IPv6 is being trialled, it will be hacked.

Alumni says it like it is; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model for the Daily Mail readers, what I said is a very general breakdown of what the link says. MS made up a new system, and got it badly wrong.
 
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7 Layer OSI model anyone?

As per..
The usual Daily Mail readers don't understand anything as per, so to update the IPv4 is the IP system we use for web addresses. Apple don't use that. MS invented their own system, that is insecure, hence why PC's with Windows get viruses, so they can sell more antivirus products to us. IPv6, is being trialled, by Yahoo, and Facebook among others, to extend the IP range, as they have run out of IP addresses

I believe Apple is the computer of choice in America, so not a case of numbers vs virus incidents..more like MS reinvented the wheel, and got it badly wrong. Again. Why are Apple computers far and beyond more reliable, require less bug fixes, and far less updates? But use the same architecture? Because MS reinvented IPv4 for their own ends, and now IPv6 is being trialled, it will be hacked.

Alumni says it like it is; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model for the Daily Mail readers, what I said is a very general breakdown of what the link says. MS made up a new system, and got it badly wrong.
No, YOU got it badly wrong.
Nothing to do with a PC/OS manufacturer.
 
7 Layer OSI model anyone?

As per..
The usual Daily Mail readers don't understand anything as per, so to update the IPv4 is the IP system we use for web addresses. Apple don't use that. MS invented their own system, that is insecure, hence why PC's with Windows get viruses, so they can sell more antivirus products to us. IPv6, is being trialled, by Yahoo, and Facebook among others, to extend the IP range, as they have run out of IP addresses

So if Apple don't use IPv4, how do they use the internet? IPv4 is not a Microsoft invention, and it has nothing to do with viruses.

I believe Apple is the computer of choice in America

I believe you should try checking some facts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems#Web_clients

so not a case of numbers vs virus incidents..

Oh yes it is.
 
7 Layer OSI model anyone?

As per..
The usual Daily Mail readers don't understand anything as per, so to update the IPv4 is the IP system we use for web addresses. Apple don't use that. MS invented their own system, that is insecure, hence why PC's with Windows get viruses, so they can sell more antivirus products to us. IPv6, is being trialled, by Yahoo, and Facebook among others, to extend the IP range, as they have run out of IP addresses

I believe Apple is the computer of choice in America, so not a case of numbers vs virus incidents..more like MS reinvented the wheel, and got it badly wrong. Again. Why are Apple computers far and beyond more reliable, require less bug fixes, and far less updates? But use the same architecture? Because MS reinvented IPv4 for their own ends, and now IPv6 is being trialled, it will be hacked.

Alumni says it like it is; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model for the Daily Mail readers, what I said is a very general breakdown of what the link says. MS made up a new system, and got it badly wrong.
No, YOU got it badly wrong.
Nothing to do with a PC/OS manufacturer.

I know that, just explain. I've attempted to, but the knuckle dragging Daily Mail readers, do not understand..in simple English...why MS made up their own system..And Apple obliged the origioal system? And how IPv6 testing is fatal?
 
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Micky, you're either an idiot, a troll or both.

I believe the quote was 'An idiot, a behemoth, or a fool', to IK BRUNEL, when he suggested a low span bridge....and a massive IRON ship..

But your posts, don't contain...anything useful, or worthy of question, just snipes?

Have you anything to add?

((From the padded cell - have u anyfin to ad ur a idiot trol or boff)); rather than criticise, maybe add to the discussion, with evidence, addedum, or contrary, rather than make infantile remarks?

So, in posting, you in fact, posted spam. Get over it.
 
Micky proving himself for the computer illiterate he is :D

A DoS attack via ping from one machine? So umm ICMP block would not help at all then? Even a DDoS using ping would achieve nothing.

Surprised he doesn't suggest an OOB (Out of bounds) attack as cutting edge next.

And Apple don't use IPv4 ? Really? No Seriously?

And IPv6 is invented by Microsoft? Umm their Teredo patent is sailing through isn't it.

The lulzsec team used botnets which they purchased to attack the FBI and SOCA sites. They exploited a 0 day apache hole for the other "successes".

Now they've scurried back in their hole and relinquished the limelight back to Anonymous which was the political arm.

The fact Micky also doesn't understand the OSI model or it's pertinence speaks volumes, re his IPv6 being "hacked" :D
 
A DoS attack via ping from one machine? So umm ICMP block would not help at all then? Even a DDoS using ping would achieve nothing.

Depends where you block it. If it's already down your pipe and saturating it, dropping it won't do a lot!

Of course, if you get it blocked upstream where they have more bandwidth than God, it does nothing.
 
Good lord there's some utter tosh being spouted in this thread :LOL: :rolleyes:

IPv6 is in use and has been for a few years now, mainly on backbones. It provides additional security as well as a vastly extended address range over IPv4. Neither have anything whatsoever to do with viruses - which, incidently, are vanishingly rare these days. Most malware is based around trojans of one sort or another with the occasional worm thrown in for good measure.

Apple use a standard IP stack as do Microsoft - otherwise they wouldn't be able to communicate with other systems. Microsoft have a slightly different interpretation of the 7 layer OSI model, but it all amounts to the same thing anyway.

DOS is rare - nobody really has the exclusive bandwidth to perform this any more now that ADSL and cable is widespread. DDOS is the usual attack now and that uses botnets - so called 'zombie machines' usually infected when numpties visit dodgy porn sites :LOL:

Most of the kids that attempt to hack are using tools freely available on the net and don't have a clue what they're doing with them to be honest - these are the so-called 'script kiddies'. Real hackers fall into three classes. 1. The security professionals - they test systems and look for flaws and vulnerabilities. 2. The skilled amateurs - they do much the same thing but don't do it under contract and terms of reference. Both of these groups develop and use the security tools and make them available to others. Finally, 3. The criminal hacker - they target corporations and businesses looking for XSS and SQL inject vulnerabilities and also write malware. A skilled hacker needs to be able to craft code as required to perform specific tasks and also needs an in depth understanding of how networks and hosts work and interface as well as the various communication protocols in use.

System hacks are rarely achieved by sniffing packets - most are achieved by targeting specialised malware at individuals with authority on a system.

Carry on folks ;)
 
Good lord there's some utter tosh being spouted in this thread :LOL: :rolleyes:

IPv6 is in use and has been for a few years now, mainly on backbones. It provides additional security as well as a vastly extended address range over IPv4. Neither have anything whatsoever to do with viruses - which, incidently, are vanishingly rare these days. Most malware is based around trojans of one sort or another with the occasional worm thrown in for good measure.

Apple use a standard IP stack as do Microsoft - otherwise they wouldn't be able to communicate with other systems. Microsoft have a slightly different interpretation of the 7 layer OSI model, but it all amounts to the same thing anyway.

DOS is rare - nobody really has the exclusive bandwidth to perform this any more now that ADSL and cable is widespread. DDOS is the usual attack now and that uses botnets - so called 'zombie machines' usually infected when numpties visit dodgy porn sites :LOL:

Most of the kids that attempt to hack are using tools freely available on the net and don't have a clue what they're doing with them to be honest - these are the so-called 'script kiddies'. Real hackers fall into three classes. 1. The security professionals - they test systems and look for flaws and vulnerabilities. 2. The skilled amateurs - they do much the same thing but don't do it under contract and terms of reference. Both of these groups develop and use the security tools and make them available to others. Finally, 3. The criminal hacker - they target corporations and businesses looking for XSS and SQL inject vulnerabilities and also write malware. A skilled hacker needs to be able to craft code as required to perform specific tasks and also needs an in depth understanding of how networks and hosts work and interface as well as the various communication protocols in use.

System hacks are rarely achieved by sniffing packets - most are achieved by targeting specialised malware at individuals with authority on a system.

Carry on folks ;)

For facts reference Wiki, instead of taking stuff out of context..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipv6
 
ok, well you lot do know how to spout bollx.... all i wanted to know is, id=f i wanted to break into te RBS say? then am i just 'guessing' logins and passwords, or do i have to pretend to be a router, etc?
 
For facts reference Wiki, instead of taking stuff out of context..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipv6

Is there an actual point you want to make?

Speaking of facts, would you care to point to the information on that page which backs up your claims that IPv6 is insecure?

As you didn't bother to read or digest the above information above supplied, I'm sure that the concept of anything new will have bugs supplied, and hackers will take full advantage of that. Otherwise why do MS or other providers provide 'fixes', for their downloads. Are you that naive? or simply stupid? No offense, but you seem to live in a wonderland, that these issues don't happen. But they do.

Any new program or system has flaws....I can't understand your post to question that?
 
For facts reference Wiki, instead of taking stuff out of context..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipv6

Is there an actual point you want to make?

Speaking of facts, would you care to point to the information on that page which backs up your claims that IPv6 is insecure?

As you didn't bother to read or digest the above information above supplied, I'm sure that the concept of anything new will have bugs supplied, and hackers will take full advantage of that. Otherwise why do MS or other providers provide 'fixes', for their downloads. Are you that naive? or simply stupid? No offense, but you seem to live in a wonderland, that these issues don't happen. But they do.

Any new program or system has flaws....I can't understand your post to question that?

The protocol and the various stacks have been stabilised and tested for years. It is not new, and there are no known issues presently.

You need to come up with some evidence that IPv6 has vulnerabilities, or stop talking.
 
Good lord there's some utter tosh being spouted in this thread :LOL: :rolleyes:

IPv6 is in use and has been for a few years now, mainly on backbones. It provides additional security as well as a vastly extended address range over IPv4. Neither have anything whatsoever to do with viruses - which, incidently, are vanishingly rare these days. Most malware is based around trojans of one sort or another with the occasional worm thrown in for good measure.

Apple use a standard IP stack as do Microsoft - otherwise they wouldn't be able to communicate with other systems. Microsoft have a slightly different interpretation of the 7 layer OSI model, but it all amounts to the same thing anyway.

DOS is rare - nobody really has the exclusive bandwidth to perform this any more now that ADSL and cable is widespread. DDOS is the usual attack now and that uses botnets - so called 'zombie machines' usually infected when numpties visit dodgy porn sites :LOL:

Most of the kids that attempt to hack are using tools freely available on the net and don't have a clue what they're doing with them to be honest - these are the so-called 'script kiddies'. Real hackers fall into three classes. 1. The security professionals - they test systems and look for flaws and vulnerabilities. 2. The skilled amateurs - they do much the same thing but don't do it under contract and terms of reference. Both of these groups develop and use the security tools and make them available to others. Finally, 3. The criminal hacker - they target corporations and businesses looking for XSS and SQL inject vulnerabilities and also write malware. A skilled hacker needs to be able to craft code as required to perform specific tasks and also needs an in depth understanding of how networks and hosts work and interface as well as the various communication protocols in use.

System hacks are rarely achieved by sniffing packets - most are achieved by targeting specialised malware at individuals with authority on a system.

Carry on folks ;)

For facts reference Wiki, instead of taking stuff out of context..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ipv6

There's nothing out of context or inaccurate here - I happen to know a bit about networks, security and hacking. It's what I do for a living. ;)
 
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