Conclusion of JCHR finds pushbacks are contrary to UK law and International maritime law

[Lirefighter]

Committees are not Quango's
You need to learn the meaning of QUANGO. I've put it in upper case to help you understand.
It's an acronym.

Ah, yes you are right. In this case it is not a quango, it's a quago.

 

[Notch7]

But the committee said so

Government lawyers obviously agreed and back down.

Priti Patel tried making pushbacks legal and suddenly changed her mind when govt lawyers realised they couldn’t.

 

[Notch7]

3.The right to life is inherently engaged when people cross the Channel—a busy shipping lane, often with rough waters—in small unseaworthy vessels. This engages the responsibility of the State from which such boats embark to have taken reasonable measures to prevent people coming to harm at sea, for example by establishing a legal and operational framework to safeguard lives at sea, including by ensuring the seaworthiness of vessels, and by establishing systems to rescue anyone in distress within their search and rescue areas. Part of this includes taking reasonable measures to prevent people placing themselves (and others) in life-endangering situations, as well as to take enforcement action against those involved in human trafficking or slavery. It also engages the responsibility of any other States within whose territorial waters or search and rescue areas such boats pass to take reasonable action to save lives. (Paragraph 53)

or did they get it wrong?

If this was correct - it would enable push back and take back in French waters, under the halo of protecting people from being put at risk

That’s one point out of 36

Interesting how you keep well away from the points which destroy your bolox about pushbacks being legal

You are getting more desperate by the hour you poor thing

 

[Notch7]

That Human Rights exists and can be incompatible with other law. It says so in the Human Rights Act

Again that is not how the Human Rights Act works - it's worth reading. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1998/42/contents
Your argument seems to be that something cannot pass in to law if it is incompatible with the Human Rights Act. This is not true.

Anything that increases the cost and risk of failure is going to work as a deterrent. Even if just 1 in 20.

We have record numbers crossing, we are on track for 50,000 this year.

Push backs are illegal
Motorbiking is wrong
It is a settled matter.

 

[Lirefighter]

And let's not forget that small boat crossings are a tiny fraction of overall immigrations.
In addition UK needs immigration to survive.

Illegal immigration isn't a tiny fraction of the total at all. A tiny fraction would be say 1/100, but we are allowing something like 1/15 to arrive illegally.
This year could see it rise to 1/10.
The overall percentage is not really the main cause for concern though, the fact that we don't know who they are is the biggest worry.

 

[Notch7]

That Human Rights exists and can be incompatible with other law

Bullsh1t argument

It doesnt invalidate it, but it puts the responsibility on Parliament to decide whether to change

Conservative government tried to change by making pushbacks illegal……and it failed.

Pushbacks are illegal, no amount of sqwarking from you can change that, so stop twisting yerself inside out trying to claim black is white

 

[Notch7]

This year could see it rise to 1/10.

That’s because net migration has more than halved under a Labour government

 

[Notch7]

Illegal immigration isn't a tiny fraction of the total at all. A tiny fraction would be say 1/100, but we are allowing something like 1/15 to arrive illegally.
This year could see it rise to 1/10.
The overall percentage is not really the main cause for concern though, the fact that we don't know who they are is the biggest worry.

What are your solutions then

 

[Notch7]

This is what happens when you let them out in the community.

There are Reform supporters out in the community.

Emotionally immature fools

 

[Lirefighter]

That’s because net migration has more than halved under a Labour government

That's because everyone who can is leaving.

 

[Notch7]

The people that are screaming the loudest about immigration aren’t those that live in areas of high ethnic minorities.

No, they are the poorly educated that are easy prey for right wing populists……and mostly bigoted boomers.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

It's a funny old business, no doubt about it. How on earth did we end up like this!

Decades of incompetent government. Hence why most stuff in the country is on its proverbial knees.

OT but how have we ended up with a farcical scheme whereby we're letting prisoners out early? BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN BUILDING ENOUGH PRISONS.

The same can be said of anything that's currently going wrong. We, or to be more specific they (government) haven't been ...

 

[ReganAndCarter]

Conclusions and recommendations by Human Rights Joint Committee

Would we expect any other conclusion from such an organisation?

 

[ReganAndCarter]

, they are the poorly educated that are easy prey for right wing populists……

You mean ones who went along with Farage during Brexit.

 

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