Cooker Hood via Cooker switch...

[JIMBOB01]

All aboard JohnD,
A metal box it is, chasing out the plaster it shall be, leaving the brick intact. Plastic conduit will be installed. I sound a bit like yoda do i not...

yes you are right, I am not particularly keen on the idea of having a wire coming out from the wall into a RCD socket, it looks a bit naff.

You are not being unkind John, I am pig headed enough to go ahead with this myself, but would like to get as much information as possible before i start.

I am the same with servicing cars as I am with DIY, it is a constant learning curve that I have to push. I fitted all of the radiators and recently a bathroom without any former knowledge, they are all working perfectly...

Things are only notifiable if you admit to doing them, I on the other hand will make a professional looking finish to something which will not raise suspicion, plus in the event of a sale I would claim it was already there when I moved in, isn't that common practice with DIY? I am unlike any other i'm sure, nobody is fully equipped to do every job, but if you can do it to the best standard that can be expected, who's to question. If it's safe and functional and complies with the regulations set by others, who needs a stamp of approval ?!

 

[JIMBOB01]

thanks John

I have studied Electrics at college in 'Modular Technology' many moons back and a read of the books you suggest would go down a treat.

From the listings i have read, most people fishing for info on this site are in no way qualified and are the same as me.

Jim

 

[JIMBOB01]

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[ban-all-sheds]

A metal box it is, chasing out the plaster it shall be, leaving the brick intact. Plastic conduit will be installed.

What have you read so far which leads you to think that plastic conduit will do the job?

I sound a bit like yoda do i not...

No - you sound like someone who isn't listening....

I am pig headed enough to go ahead with this myself, but would like to get as much information as possible before i start.

Excellent idea.

Now all you need to do is to accept that you are weeks and months of reasonably concentrated work away from having the information you need before you start.

I am the same with servicing cars as I am with DIY, it is a constant learning curve that I have to push.

But not by trial and error. Would you go off half-cocked and service the brakes on your car if that was pushing the limit of what you knew?

I fitted all of the radiators and recently a bathroom without any former knowledge, they are all working perfectly...

The worst that can happen there is that tiles fall off the wall, pipes leak etc.

The worst that can happen with electrical work is that people die.

Things are only notifiable if you admit to doing them,

Yeas, and murder, rape, child molestation etc are only crimes if you get caught.

You pillock.

I on the other hand will make a professional looking finish to something which will not raise suspicion,

In other words you intend to do a dreadfully incompetent and dangerous job, but make good the wall well so that nobody will know that you've done something which could kill them.

plus in the event of a sale I would claim it was already there when I moved in,

And then you're going to lie about it.

isn't that common practice with DIY?

It's common practice with cowboys and fraudsters.

I am unlike any other i'm sure, nobody is fully equipped to do every job, but if you can do it to the best standard that can be expected, who's to question.

You can't do it to the best standard that can be expected, you are ignoring what people are telling you, not taking note of the information you are given, and refusing to accept that you are incompetent.

If it's safe and functional and complies with the regulations set by others,

This:

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is neither safe nor compliant with the regulations.

As you were told in the very first reply you got.

who needs a stamp of approval ?!

You do, when you come to sell the house.

 

[JIMBOB01]

I think Mr. Red face Shed Man is getting uppity, if you do not want to help just say so...

I think i've hit a raw nerve, if you're indeed a qualified electrician, why would you give people advice if they were not qualified themselves.

What is the purpose of this website?

Hand in your badge Mr. Red face Shed Man, if you have broken the rules.

If you had the badge and stamp you would be off your fat arse working instead of being aggressive to the likes of me on your computer, calling names, what a baby.

 

[JIMBOB01]

A metal box it is, chasing out the plaster it shall be, leaving the brick intact. Plastic conduit will be installed.

What have you read so far which leads you to think that plastic conduit will do the job?
You are not the only person giving advise here matey-boy

I sound a bit like yoda do i not...

No - you sound like someone who isn't listening....
oh dear, no sense of humour

I am pig headed enough to go ahead with this myself, but would like to get as much information as possible before i start.

Excellent idea.
I know that's why i'm here
Now all you need to do is to accept that you are weeks and months of reasonably concentrated work away from having the information you need before you start.
That's why I intend to do this in the spring/summer...

I am the same with servicing cars as I am with DIY, it is a constant learning curve that I have to push.

But not by trial and error. Would you go off half-cocked and service the brakes on your car if that was pushing the limit of what you knew?
my brakes work perfectly and have passed the MOT with flying colours.

I fitted all of the radiators and recently a bathroom without any former knowledge, they are all working perfectly...

The worst that can happen there is that tiles fall off the wall, pipes leak etc.

The worst that can happen with electrical work is that people die.
Wrong, they could leak, hit an elctric supply and then die, but no, noone has died, or is likely to, i am very thorough with my research and would not apply any of my findings if I thought they were unsafe.

Things are only notifiable if you admit to doing them,

Yeas, and murder, rape, child molestation etc are only crimes if you get caught.

You pillock.
Stop being a baby, this is not any of those previous crimes. I question your authority to give advise and if you cannot do it without having a tantrum please go somewhere else and annoy them with your superior knowledge and intellect. Some people can just be helpful without being pedantic and belittling.

I on the other hand will make a professional looking finish to something which will not raise suspicion,

In other words you intend to do a dreadfully incompetent and dangerous job, but make good the wall well so that nobody will know that you've done something which could kill them.
No, I am here to learn from the masters, not you necessarily, but people who can communicate without this type of unreasonable behavior.

plus in the event of a sale I would claim it was already there when I moved in,

And then you're going to lie about it.
I refer you to my previous answers, please do not advise people who have not got the knowledge if you have a conscience about it. If your info could in any way be misinterpreted, you are doing a disservice.

isn't that common practice with DIY?

It's common practice with cowboys and fraudsters.
I agree that's why I need the correct answers.

I am unlike any other i'm sure, nobody is fully equipped to do every job, but if you can do it to the best standard that can be expected, who's to question.

You can't do it to the best standard that can be expected, you are ignoring what people are telling you, not taking note of the information you are given, and refusing to accept that you are incompetent.
I need answers, I write to a forum for answers...

If it's safe and functional and complies with the regulations set by others,

This:

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is neither safe nor compliant with the regulations.

As you were told in the very first reply you got.
In which case, fold up the website and everyone go and pay for someone else to do it !!

who needs a stamp of approval ?!

You do, when you come to sell the house.

I imagine that every house in the UK is compliant with all regulations apart from mine, .... rubbish

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I think Mr. Red face Shed Man is getting uppity, if you do not want to help just say so...

I did want to.

Now whether I do or not is immaterial, because you don't want help, you only want to be told the things you want to hear.

I think i've hit a raw nerve, if you're indeed a qualified electrician, why would you give people advice if they were not qualified themselves.

To help them? To give them the advice they need?

What is the purpose of this website?

To give advice to people who want it.

It's purpose is not for you to come to and refuse to listen to things which do not validate the decisions you've already made, and to ignore information which is either too hard for you to understand or too inconvenient for you to follow.

 

[JIMBOB01]

I did want to.
really !? I thought you wanted to make a song and dance !!

Now whether I do or not is immaterial, because you don't want help, you only want to be told the things you want to hear.
Shall we start again?

To help them? To give them the advice they need?
I need advise, that's why i'm here. I write, I read, I digest and then vomit it back out again. If the vomit does not comply with regulations, I expect someone to tell me, not throw their rattle at me.


To give advice to people who want it.
I want it

It's purpose is not for you to come to and refuse to listen to things which do not validate the decisions you've already made, and to ignore information which is either too hard for you to understand or too inconvenient for you to follow.[/quote]
This the case maybe, if you haven't the time or experience to translate your knowledge to the novice, again, what is the point of the website?

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You were given this information:

• http://www.voltimum.co.uk/files/gb/attachments/niu/l/attachments/c5-43.pdf
• http://web.archive.org/web/20061110111450/http://www.niceic.org.uk/downloads/concealedcables.pdf
• IEE article
• IEE Article on 17th Edition requirements for concealed cables.

but still you proposed to install cables in a dangerous and illegal way. And said you'd finish it off so well that nobody would know about it and lie about having done it.

Did you know that at least one person really has died because of cables buried in a wall where they shouldn't be?


This is the advice which you need to take notice of:

Without wishing to be unkind, I fear you are not yet equipped with the skill and understanding to do this job safely. Posts on a website are not the way to learn. As already mentioned, electric work in kitchens is notifiable, I am sure you would do better to engage an electrician who is a member of a Competent Persons scheme and will do the design, installation, testing amd paperwork to the correct standard.

Basically you seem to be confused by techniques, rules, terminology etc, and are groping your way towards doing something on the basis of asking the random questions which happen to occur to you. This is fraught with danger, as you could easily fail to ask about something you don't know because you have no idea that it even exists and that you don't know it.

Please take some time out and do some proper studying of wiring systems, installation techniques, the theory & practice of circuit design and construction, the rules and regulations etc.

Get books such as the ones recommended here, and acquire a sound basis of knowledge and skill before attempting electrical work, rather than making it up as you go along.

 

[JIMBOB01]

Thanks, I will read the books.

I expect any future advice you give to anyone on this website should be 'read these books', understand everything within, get a job as qualified electrician, and do not refer to websites for advice.

Marvelous, bring out the trumpets, bravo..... Simples

 

[ban-all-sheds]

You still don't seem to get the bit about you taking absolutely no notice of the information on cable zones (I note that you've now erased the evidence of that).

You asked for advice, you were given some which was of vital and literally life-or-death importance, and thought it didn't need to be taken note of.

Your attitude is completely wrong.

Two people have deduced from your general confusion and ignorance that you are not yet competent to do this work, and have suggested that you go away and do some learning.

Two people have told you that asking random questions here is not the way to learn. Clarification of things, yes, but not as a substitute for reading properly structured textbooks.

Yes, often people are told to go away and acquire some fundamental knowledge, for that is the only way to become safe to carry out electrical work.

Electrical-installation-by-numbers with people here absolving you of any responsibility to actually understand what you are doing is not what this site is for.