Cost of running dishwasher

[ericmark]

It is used for CH so as said you can't do without the gas standing charge, so ignore it.

 

[JohnW2]

Except we were discussing gas,

I have to admit that I hadn't realised that. In particular, I thought eric had been talking about kWh of electricity?

it's the standing charge, and cost of my gas

Fair enough. Not having gas,I wouldn't know what mine would be if I did have it. What is your standing charge for electricity?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

What is your standing charge for electricity?

57.27p per day. Double that of gas, but at least we need to use some, during the summer, making it around 1/3rd of the summer bill.

 

[JohnW2]

57.27p per day. Double that of gas, but at least we need to use some, during the summer, making it around 1/3rd of the summer bill.

Fairly similar to (slightly less than) mine, then.

I thought that a 'dual fuel' standing charge was usually less than the sum of the single-fuel standing charges for electricity and gas (assuming, of course, that both came from the same supplier) - is that not the case?

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Fairly similar to (slightly less than) mine, then.

I thought that a 'dual fuel' standing charge was usually less than the sum of the single-fuel standing charges for electricity and gas (assuming, of , to the nextcourse, that both came from the same supplier) - is that not the case?

I'm on Octopus Tracker for both, so the actual cost of each unit, of both, varies from one day to the next, based on a calculation of the wholesale cost, plus a margin of profit for them.

 

[JohnW2]

I'm on Octopus Tracker for both, so the actual cost of each unit, of both, varies from one day to the next, based on a calculation of the wholesale cost, plus a margin of profit for them.

Yes, I understand that, but I was talking and asking about 'standing charges' - they don't also vary from day to day, do they?

 

[Munroast]

As said, same as my costs, View attachment 392662 = 18.5571p per day = £1.29 per week, but I don't include baths. We take showers. I am also not including electric standing charge, which is fair, as I could not do without electric. And I suppose you can't do without gas as used for other things.

what is this "Saved last 28 days" that does not sound like how much you have used! and your £1.29 per week adds up to 27.8kwh for 28 days

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Yes, I understand that, but I was talking and asking about 'standing charges' - they don't also vary from day to day, do they?

No, the ST is pre-set, I think for the term of the contract.

 

[ericmark]

what is this "Saved last 28 days" that does not sound like how much you have used! and your £1.29 per week adds up to 27.8kwh for 28 days

The iboost+ displays energy used from the solar as saved last 7, 28 days etc. It is showing what has been used from solar.

It will vary depending on tariff you have, I have an EV tariff, so I have three costs for electric, I get 15p/kWh for export, so I include loss of revenue so 00:30 - 05:30 8.5p/kWh most other times 15p/kWh unless no solar, then 30.17p/kWh.

I could claim solar is free, but that is not really true. I do use more electric now the price to me is lower. So comparing electric bill before and after solar does not really work. We would not use a washing line, as so often clothes need to be rewashed due to something landing on them. And on a sunny day, why not use the solar? So in the tumble drier it goes. For me that is using solar.

 

[Munroast]

The iboost+ displays energy used from the solar as saved last 7, 28 days etc. It is showing what has been used from solar.

It will vary depending on tariff you have, I have an EV tariff, so I have three costs for electric, I get 15p/kWh for export, so I include loss of revenue so 00:30 - 05:30 8.5p/kWh most other times 15p/kWh unless no solar, then 30.17p/kWh.

I could claim solar is free, but that is not really true. I do use more electric now the price to me is lower. So comparing electric bill before and after solar does not really work. We would not use a washing line, as so often clothes need to be rewashed due to something landing on them. And on a sunny day, why not use the solar? So in the tumble drier it goes. For me that is using solar.

do you believe the info from your solar software as being true - have you done any checks to see how accurate it is ?

I am with growatt and their software gives a very misleading picture - the most misleading part is how much they say they produce - they measure the mppt which is the energy generated from the solar panels - of course that energy has to go through the inverter which looses about 10%.
so effectively they are claiming that the electric lost in the inverter is my saving !

When our solar was fitted a couple of meters were fitted, one measures TO & FRO to the grid and the other measures TO & FRO from the house to the solar system
these meters are all approved, and it is from these I calculate what is truly happening

overall growatt seem to claim about 15% more than the approved meters show

 

[ericmark]

The solar software Luxpower seems to show slightly out to the smart meter app, when the latter works, but very close, the problem is some data is direct and some through the server, so it can show import or export at slightly the wrong time, as far as the immersion heater goes, nowhere I can really clip my clamp meter to, so no easy way to check showing correct data. I would need to remove the cover from the consumer unit.

But not really worried, using the iboost+ has saved so much oil.

 

[AndyPRK]

I thought that a 'dual fuel' standing charge was usually less than the sum of the single-fuel standing charges for electricity and gas (assuming, of course, that both came from the same supplier) - is that not the case?

I don't think that is the case.

Gas SC is lower. When the small energy firms went bust a few years back, the Electric SC was increased, Thus Gas users and non Gas users would pay the same amount to compensate.

Gas SC is about 30p/day for my region

 

[JohnW2]

I don't think that is the case.

Fair enough. As I explained,since I'm not in a position to have a dual-fuel contract, I've never really paid much attention, but thought (seemingly incorrectly) that I'd heard that dual-fuel standing charges were less than the sum of the two single-fuel ones.

However, having had a quick look around, there is a lot said about 'discounts' for dual-fuel customers and, whilst details of this are rarely given, some of the sources suggest that discounts might apply to standing charges as well as usage prices.

Gas SC is lower. When the small energy firms went bust a few years back, the Electric SC was increased, Thus Gas users and non Gas users would pay the same amount to compensate.

OK, although I'm sure sure that I can see the logic in any of that.

Gas SC is about 30p/day for my region

OK. Ofgem are reporting that average standing charges (over all regions in UK) for October-December of this year will be £124 pa for gas and £196 for electricity (if paid by DD), representing about 34 p/day and 54 p/day respectively.

 

[AndyPRK]

There certainly don't seem to be many good deals for E7 customers. On the other hand, if you own an EV...... there are deals

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

There certainly don't seem to be many good deals for E7 customers. On the other hand, if you own an EV...... there are deals

Probably because the energy demand for EV's can be dynamically adjusted by the suppliers, whereas E7 demand simply cannot.

Ideally, the suppliers want to perfectly match demand, to supplies.