Does anybody here know much about "Long Covid" and what the experts are currently saying?

[denso13]

did you try to get diagnosis?

Yes, numerous GP visits/calls and 2 ENT referrals. No diagnosis other than "nothing to worry about".

 

[Notch7]

So the biggest danger is the overlooking of treatable illnesses/diseases through lack of diagnosis because so many 'symptoms' are now simply put down to the 'virus'!

No Im sorry that isnt true.....you seem obsessed with interpreting anything as a covid conspiracy

Doctors apply the same diagnosis strategy they always have -covid health problems are quite clear.
Of course there will be some diagnosis errors -but no more than with any other chronic conditions

 

[Notch7]

If you are worried about long covid symptoms 4 weeks or more after having coronavirus you should contact your GP.

Defining long covid proved challenging, because of the multitude of symptoms reported for it - but its obvious its not a binary "have mild covid and recover quickly, or you be really sick and wind up in the ICU". A key one to explore is understanding the definition of "fatigue" which can be very difficult for individuals to properly explain as it is so multifaceted and isn't a single "thing".

On a more positive note; there are several very large scale research projects and population studies are now looking at the reported symptoms, why some people are affected for months and how we can treat it.

Since long covid was initially patient driven, even named by patients and are/were for a period of time the experts - I think its important for people to support each other as a first port of call - trying not to get into a vicious cycle of anxiety before then reaching out to the now better informed and prepared official resources; that can then apply the treatments when they come down the pipe as the research is done.

thats interesting, thanks for posting

"fatigue" has always been difficult to diagnose -ME for example

 

[Swwils]

Yes it's very tricky.

Early on there were almost no reasources or understanding, which has lead to alot of frustration - but the research landscape is looking very hopeful.

From what I have read and I am by no means an expert several studies are investigating the following populations:

People who do not and have not had covid
People who had covid and recovered without issue within 4 weeks
People who had covid and had symptoms or persistence 4-12 weeks after
People with symptoms after 12weeks+

What should be encouraging is that we have several studies already ongoing as part of the general covid surveillance; arguably far moreso for any other comparable disease.

I think Brian Cox recently hosted a panel for the royal society discussing this topic?

 

[Tigercubrider]

No personal experience but my work involves technical support for av, video, zoom etc

The past two days I was "running" the backstage operations of a pharmacy conference with international contributors from health systems and universities, pharmacists etc. A couple of hundred attendees and breakout rooms with keynote speakers

A some were on long Covid from sufferers, and harrowing. Stories of being wheelchair bound, heart conditions and other chronic illnesses.

"Yuppie flu" it isn't

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Fair to say, "There are no experts." Covid has only been known for about 12-18? months. This is on the job learning.

"Covid" is flu - Chinese flu, and if we hadn't been infiltrated by communists we would all be unashamedly calling it such.

In the past, flu outbreaks were named after where they were discovered; for instance Spanish flu, bird flu, swine flu, MERS, Hong Kong flu etc., but as a result of political correctness we cannot do this naming any more, hence we call Chinese flu Covid.

Flu is a serious illness and its short-term (loss of taste and smell) and long-term (heart/lung/nerve damage) effects are well known; therefore this latest flu, designated Covid, is nothing new. What is new is government and media over-reaction to it. The hysteria spread around the world about something like Covid would not have happened in the past. Previous pandemics and emergencies were limited by their own virulence; but now the fear of them is unlimited because of the reach of the Internet and other instant global communication methods.

If we had stuck with the name "flu" sense would have prevailed as we would not have seen it as a new and unprecedented threat.

The Covid phenomenon is mass hysteria caused by mass media. It reminds me of the, albeit much smaller scale, anorexia panic of the 1980s/90s. Few had heard of anorexia before high profile cases such as that of Lena Zavaroni hit the news. But once those cases had hit the headlines, the disease became widespread and teenage girls have suffered from it ever since.

 

[JP_]

"Covid" is flu - Chinese flu, and if we hadn't been infiltrated by communists we would all be unashamedly calling it such.

Give it a rest!

It's not flu, and the Chinese didn't make it. Stop being a silly billy!

Remember, this is not Covid 1, it is Covid 19 - that's why we don't call it "Chinese Flu".

 

[Brigade77]

In the past, flu outbreaks were named after where they were discovered; for instance Spanish flu, bird flu, swine flu, MERS, Hong Kong flu etc., but as a result of political correctness we cannot do this naming any more, hence we call Chinese flu Covid.

Is that "Spanish Flu" the one that first hit in Kansas USA?

On this basis we should start calling poo "andy11".

 

[ellal]

Is that "Spanish Flu" the one that first hit in Kansas USA?

"The deadly "Spanish flu" claimed more lives than World War I, which ended the same year the pandemic struck. Now, new research is placing the flu's emergence in a forgotten episode of World War I: the shipment of Chinese laborers across Canada in sealed train cars."

"Initial symptoms of the illness included a sore head and tiredness, followed by a dry, hacking cough; a loss of appetite; stomach problems; and then, on the second day, excessive sweating. Next, the illness could affect the respiratory organs, and pneumonia could develop."

Sounding familiar?

So why is it still referred to as the 'flu' back then but it's a 'virus' now?

 

[Trazor]

So why is it still referred to as the 'flu' back then but it's a 'virus' now?

Do you really think, that over 100 years ago the scientists would have the ability to name and categorise, as we do today.

By the way "Spanish Flu" caused some people to drop down dead, on the same day symptoms appeared, not been noticed with Covid 19.

Covid 19 is not the Flu.

 

[Notch7]

So why is it still referred to as the 'flu' back then but it's a 'virus' now

Because Spanish Flu is the common name for the disease.
Flu is caused by a viral infection.

Both terms are used depending on context

 

[bernardgreen]

the shipment of Chinese laborers across Canada in sealed train cars."

That might have contributed to the spread in the North American continent but the world wide spread was troops and other people travelling around the world in ships.

So why is it still referred to as the 'flu' back then but it's a 'virus' now?

This might help you SOURCE


Medical Science Didn't Have the Tools
But one of the chief reasons that the Spanish flu claimed so many lives in 1918 was that science simply didn’t have the tools to develop a vaccine for the virus. Microscopes couldn’t even see something as incredibly small as a virus until the 1930s. Instead, top medical professionals in 1918 were convinced that the flu was caused by a bacterium nicknamed “Pfeiffer’s bacillus.”

After a global flu outbreak in 1890, a German physician named Richard Pfeiffer found that all of his infected patients carried a particular strain of bacteria he called H. influenzae. When the Spanish flu pandemic hit, scientists were intent on finding a cure for Pfeiffer’s bacillus. Millions of dollars were invested in state-of-the-art labs to develop techniques for testing for and treating H. influenzae, all of it for naught.

 

[ellal]

By the way "Spanish Flu" caused some people to drop down dead, on the same day symptoms appeared, not been noticed with Covid 19.

So this is a fake then?

If it is, then what do we believe?

It it isn't, then what's the difference between the two?

 

[denso13]

So this is a fake then?

Dunno, what happened?

 

[Trazor]

So this is a fake then?

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If it is, then what do we believe?

It it isn't, then what's the difference between the two?

How long was he ill for?

What did he die from (wearing a mask does not mean he has Covid 19)

Was it a hit and run?

As you see your picture could be interpreted in a hundred different ways.