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Earth/moon.

Mind you, I don't know enough about the (conductivity etc. of) material the moon's made of to know whether there would be any mileage to be had in the concept of 'earthing'/'luning'!
Despite the Moon having a low conductivity surface anyway - the question for me would be, is there any point in Luning what will (at least in the short term) be a DC power bus system?

With the power supply derived from solar and/or Radio isotope Thermoelectric Generators, coupled with battery storage, I can't see the benefit in having AC systems, at least to begin with.
Power distribution distances will be short and there won't be the need for spinning turbines.

With the USB-C Power Delivery spec now supporting up to 240W, could something similar be used as a standard for Terra/Luna interoperable appliances?
 
If us humans ever end up living on the moon and we require a TT earthing system will it be called a mooning system with a moon rod?

No need for a TT, just export the Earth from……Earth.

That way you would have an Earth on the moon……
 
No need for a TT, just export the Earth from……Earth.

That way you would have an Earth on the moon……
We'd probably need some sort of tether system attached to a few space elevators?


...although perhaps, this may be simpler? :unsure:

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With the power supply derived from solar and/or Radio isotope Thermoelectric Generators, coupled with battery storage, I can't see the benefit in having AC systems, at least to begin with.
True, now that we have inverters, switch-mode power supplies etc. etc. In addition to the advanatges of AC in relation to distribution (over significant distances), another advantage of AC is (used to be) that itmade it relatively easier for end-users (their equipment) to 'chnage the voltage' as required.

Kind Regards, John
 
I realize that this thread started off as somewhat of a Joke.
Indeed, but as you go on to illustrate, there is often something pretty serious beneath :-)

It's like a lot of 'science fiction', for which 'fiction' is really a misnomer, when it consists of intelligenmt. sometimes very clever and insightful speculation and predictions about 'facts' and the future!
 
Depending on the voltages you‘re running at you might still want a fixed reference and fault protection with DC. If you stay below 120 V or so that’s not an issue though.
 
Depending on the voltages you‘re running at you might still want a fixed reference and fault protection with DC. If you stay below 120 V or so that’s not an issue though.
Why might one want a fixed reference?

If one had absolutely no 'earth'-refencing, then I can't see that there would be any point in 'fault protection'. The only hazard w would then presumably resullt from someone touch both sides of the supply simultaneously - and nothing can protect against that, since a human (or alien :-) ) body would be indistinguishable from any other 'load'?
 
Can you all stop referring to the CPC as earth we are talking about the moon. :-)
 
Can you all stop referring to the CPC as earth we are talking about the moon. :)
As you will have seen,I've been trying to remember to always put "earth" in quotes ;)

Mind you, I'm not sure about "CPC" either - since, as I've recently been discussing, if the supply were notally unreferenced to the substance of the body in question (earth, moon, or anything else!), the "CPC" would (as far as I can see) provide no "P" :)
 
Despite the Moon having a low conductivity surface anyway - the question for me would be, is there any point in Luning what will (at least in the short term) be a DC power bus system?
For exactly the same reasons as we earth power systems here.
With the power supply derived from solar and/or Radio isotope Thermoelectric Generators, coupled with battery storage, I can't see the benefit in having AC systems, at least to begin with.
To an extent, yes.
But going DC isn't as simple as it first seems.
If you have battery storage, then you have choices to make :
DC-DC conversion (both ways) between battery and bus to maintain fixed bus voltage. There's power loss, weight, and volume as downsides to this method.
Let bus voltage change with battery voltage. That eliminates the big DC-DC converter, but then all your loads become larger. Each DC;DC converter attaching a load is sized on voltage and current. It now needs to be designed (from an insulation * electronics voltage rating PoV) to suit the maximum bus voltage, while everything also has to be sized to support the higher current at minimum bus voltage. So effectively every device becomes bigger. With large loads, that can be a significant issue.

Why might one want a fixed reference?

If one had absolutely no 'earth'-refencing, then I can't see that there would be any point in 'fault protection'. The only hazard w would then presumably resullt from someone touch both sides of the supply simultaneously - and nothing can protect against that, since a human (or alien :) ) body would be indistinguishable from any other 'load'?
Where to start !
I guess the first point would be to look at the regs for having an IT system. Considering the people involved, I guess that would be allowed as all would be trained in various things, and the system would be run by "skilled persons".
But being IT doesn't make it touch safe - far from it. A typical large power system has a lot of capacitance and leakage (mostly capacitance, think big filters in DC-DC converters for starters), so it will be very much "earth" referenced when it comes to touch voltages.
What IT does give you is the ability to continue operating in the presence of a single line/"earth" fault. As soon as one of those occurs, the rest fo the system is definitely not touch safe.
And of course, with an IT system, you must have an "earth" fault detection system - otherwise you will not know when that first fault occurs, so will not be able to clear it, and so will be no better off than with a TT or TN system.
 
Where to start ! .... I guess the first point would be to look at the regs for having an IT system. Considering the people involved, I guess that would be allowed as all would be trained in various things, and the system would be run by "skilled persons".
But being IT doesn't make it touch safe - far from it. A typical large power system has a lot of capacitance and leakage (mostly capacitance, think big filters in DC-DC converters for starters), so it will be very much "earth" referenced when it comes to touch voltages.
Capacitive leakage/coupling to what? In the absence of any 'earth'-referencing, why should one side of the supply get any more coupled to anything (earth, moon or whatever) than the other side). 'Big filters' usually involve capacitors from both sides of a supply to 'earth' - but if there is no 'earth' to connect to,. then ....... ??
 
As soon as you have one fault you effectively get the equivalent of a TT system and one conductor is now referenced to a fixed potential. If there‘s a second fault you need protection. Just like an IT system.
 
They could run a giant earth cable from the Earth to the Moon!!
 

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