Electric cooker 10kw question

[EFLImpudence]

As i said the correct value is the actual voltage not some made up figure that is never found in practice either in the UK or Europe.

Then you will have to adjust the relevant values in the BGB and elsewhere so that they match your calculations.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

As i said the correct value is the actual voltage not some made up figure that is never found in practice either in the UK or Europe.

There has never been an actual voltage to use. What would you have an electrician do - go and measure the voltage and do his calculations using that? What should he do when it changed?

It has always been a nominal value ± a certain percentage.

The nominal value used to be 240, and that used to be what was used in calculations, even though some people never actually saw 240V.

The nominal value is now 230, and that is what is now used in calculations.

Just why are you such an idiot that you refuse to accept that?

 

[Guitarguy]

So if I decided to go and pull the fuses out at the local substation just to stuff you lot up, how would you do your calculations based on 0 volts?

 

[winston1]

The nominal value used to be 240, and that used to be what was used in calculations, even though some people never actually saw 240V.

The nominal value is now 230, and that is what is now used in calculations.

Just why are you such an idiot that you refuse to accept that?

I'm not an idiot. The quoted nominal value is WRONG. It is a non existent figure dreamt up by Eurocrats. Just measure the voltage in 1000 homes in the UK. The average will be around 240V. Do the same thing in Europe, the average will be around 220V.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

The quoted nominal value is WRONG.

It's not.

It cannot be - it is a nominal value.

I'm not an idiot.

Then you are one of the most talented idiot impersonators I have ever encountered.

 

[winston1]

The quoted nominal value is WRONG.

It's not.

It cannot be - it is a nominal value.

I'm not an idiot.

Then you are one of the most talented idiot impersonators I have ever encountered.

No need for the rudeness. If you don't agree say so.

Nominal - (of a role or status) existing in name only.

That being the case using it for calculations is stupid and madness (in my opinion, which you may not agree with).

 

[ban-all-sheds]

No need for the rudeness. If you don't agree say so.

I don't agree.

Many people here don't agree with you.

Many people have tried to explain to you that the nominal value to be used for calculations has changed, but you repeatedly just refuse to accept that.

The "rudeness" as you call it is actually a perfectly reasonable and justified description of you.

That being the case using it for calculations is stupid and madness (in my opinion, which you may not agree with).

But we have ALWAYS used a nominal value in calculations.

We have NEVER used the actual value.


And no, I do not agree with your opinion, but I do firmly believe that your repeated insistence that the Wiring Regulations are wrong, and that the people who wrote them are stupid and mad, all because you refuse to accept the concept of using a nominal value in calculations makes you an idiot.

 

[JohnW2]

Nominal - (of a role or status) existing in name only. ... That being the case using it for calculations is stupid and madness (in my opinion, which you may not agree with).

I think most of us (probably including BAS, if he would admit it!) agree that it would be more logical/sensible if we were to use some sort of country-specific approximate average supply voltage (rather than the 'nominal voltage') for calculations. However, that is not 'how it is' - and this forum would be a less tedious place if you did not keep going on about it. You've expressed your view very clearly, on countless occasions (and, as I said, many/most of us probably essentially agree with you), but nothing is to be gained by endless repetition, and the situation is not going to change, anyway.

Kind Regards, John

 

[winston1]

Read this:

http://www.theiet.org/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=205&threadid=32622

 

[winston1]

all because you refuse to accept the concept of using a nominal value in calculations makes you an idiot.

Nothing wrong in using nominal voltage if the nominal voltage figure was correct.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Read this:

http://www.theiet.org/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=205&threadid=32622[/QUOTE]
It comes as no surprise to me that there are more idiots and ignorami who just don't get it.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Nothing wrong in using nominal voltage if the nominal voltage figure was correct.

It is correct. It cannot be otherwise, as it's a nominal value whose definition accords with the range of actual values allowed.


We all realise that you are either wilfully refusing to accept the concept of a nominal value to be used in calculations, or are just so thick that you genuinely cannot understand it.

If the former, nothing we can say will get you to behave sensibly, and if the latter nothing we can say will make any sense to you.

However, that is not 'how it is' - and this forum would be a less tedious place if you did not keep going on about it. You've expressed your view very clearly, on countless occasions (and, as I said, many/most of us probably essentially agree with you), but nothing is to be gained by endless repetition, and the situation is not going to change, anyway.

 

[winston1]

Read this:

http://www.theiet.org/forums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=205&threadid=32622[/QUOTE]
It comes as no surprise to me that there are more idiots and ignorami who just don't get it.

Of course I get it as do those others. The nominal could be stated as anything within the range 216.2V and 253.0V by your reasoning but only a Eurocrat would.

As JohnW2 says most of us, probably including you, would agree using a country specify voltage would make more sense than some made up nominal figure.

Stupid decisions have been overturned before, let's hope this one is.

Enough said.

 

[RF Lighting]

I love your posts Winston. Some of the funniest stuff I've ever read on the internet.

Just hope no one ever accidentally takes something you've written seriously.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

Of course I get it as do those others.

No, you don't, and neither do they.

You really, really don't get it. If you did, you would not keep on posting the carp that you keep on posting.

The nominal could be stated as anything within the range 216.2V and 253.0V by your reasoning but only a Eurocrat would.

What's a 'Eurocrat'? It's important for you to clarify that.

As JohnW2 says most of us, probably including you, would agree using a country specify voltage would make more sense than some made up nominal figure.

It is a country specific figure.

It does lie within the voltage range allowed.

It is a value which when the +% and -% are applied matches the voltage range allowed.

Stupid decisions have been overturned before, let's hope this one is.

The supply voltage is allowed to range from Xv to Yv.

A value between X and Y is chosen, and made part of a standard, to be the nominal value to be used for calculations.

It is not that choice which is stupid, it is you and your repeated demonstrations of your inadequate intellect.

Enough said.

Please be assured that I shall remind you of that if you ever start this idiocy again.