Electric vans

[Avocet]

returned home with 43% so was quite pleased

started off at 95% done 97 miles and percentage came down to 43%

so, if percentage is linear and you ca drive to 0%, then that would suggest 1.86 miles per percent
which would suggest a range of 186 miles (its supposed to be 170 miles and I know longer drive in the style of white van man)

temperature was 9c this morning and 14 driving back
so how would this alter on a very cold winters day (0ºC) with half journey in the dark _ and heating on full blast as I am a cold soul when just sitting) @Avocet

Do you know if it has a heat pump or a resistive heater?

Mine has a heat pump, which are more efficient than the resistive heaters (the latter is effectively a 3 bar electric fire behind the dash with a fan blowing over it).

At around 0 degrees C ambient, mine will lose about 20-25% range. Most of that is just the way the battery performs in cold weather, rather than running the heater. I too, like my creature comforts. Can it be set to pre-heat itself for a set departure time? That's the best thing ever, getting into a nice, warm vehicle on a winter's morning! However, it also pre-heats the battery, which helps with the range, because once you start moving, the battery will generate a little of its own heat. That said, you might need a 7kW home charger to do that.

 

[Avocet]

Nice bit of AI going on there...

 

[Highway Man]

My wife has an electric car, she uses it for work a bit like a van would be used. She has to charge it up every other day and that is giving her a 180 mile range, still works out cheaper than petrol but because of the depreciation of the vehicle it would be better to have got a petrol equivalent. She now has to pay road tax on it where the promise was you dont pay road tax, that lasted for two years and now costs the same as taxing a petrol one. Saves on servicing as no fluids in it but dread to think of the cost of any repairs if it ever went wrong.

 

[Mottie]

My wife has an electric car, she uses it for work a bit like a van would be used. She has to charge it up every other day and that is giving her a 180 mile range, still works out cheaper than petrol but because of the depreciation of the vehicle it would be better to have got a petrol equivalent. She now has to pay road tax on it where the promise was you dont pay road tax, that lasted for two years and now costs the same as taxing a petrol one. Saves on servicing as no fluids in it but dread to think of the cost of any repairs if it ever went wrong.

She'll also have to pay the EV mileage charge when it comes in too, won’t she - 3p per mile, isn’t it?

 

[Munroast]

there is no savings to be had in an EV, its not the reason I bought one

just take insurance, my Insurance went up from £140 to £460

i do 5000 mile a year (£650 for diesel) (£60 for cheap electric)
but it means it will take 7 months just to pay for the extra insurance costs

Road Tax is the same, Servicing chargers are the same, Depreciation is massive. And any repair bills will probably be ludicrous (although I have a 10 year warranty)(although that will be a con too, need to replace all your discs and pads at a cost of a £1000 because we can see a tiny spot of rust)

 

[Avocet]

there is no savings to be had in an EV, its not the reason I bought one

just take insurance, my Insurance went up from £140 to £460

i do 5000 mile a year (£650 for diesel) (£60 for cheap electric)
but it means it will take 7 months just to pay for the extra insurance costs

Road Tax is the same, Servicing chargers are the same, Depreciation is massive. And any repair bills will probably be ludicrous (although I have a 10 year warranty)(although that will be a con too, need to replace all your discs and pads at a cost of a £1000 because we can see a tiny spot of rust)

EV brakes tend to last forever. A bigger problem - especially if gently-driven all the time, will be sticking calipers, because then hardly ever get to do anything. Depreciation will change. In fact, I think used EV prices have already rallied somewhat, since the world's best EV salesman started his war with Iran. That should sort the depreciation out. By the time EVs are paying another 3p/mile, fuel duty for ICE vehicles will be higher than it is today. Surely to goodness, someone could have got you a better insurance quote than that, though?!

 

[Avocet]

She'll also have to pay the EV mileage charge when it comes in too, won’t she - 3p per mile, isn’t it?

Yes, I'm dreading 2028, when my running costs might be as high as 5p / mile...

 

[Munroast]

EV brakes tend to last forever. A bigger problem - especially if gently-driven all the time, will be sticking calipers, because then hardly ever get to do anything. Depreciation will change. In fact, I think used EV prices have already rallied somewhat, since the world's best EV salesman started his war with Iran. That should sort the depreciation out. By the time EVs are paying another 3p/mile, fuel duty for ICE vehicles will be higher than it is today. Surely to goodness, someone could have got you a better insurance quote than that, though?!

same ones that could get me £140 for my last van, insuring EV's is expensive, too easily written off is the excuse.

my concern with the brakes is that they never get used, normal driving the brakes get warmed up and stay dry, without purposeful exaggerated braking before parking up after a wet drive, these disks will stay wet all night, slowly become pitted, then service managers will use this as a reason fro full replacement at eye watering costs, refuse and thats the 10 year warranty out of the window.

Ha, the far left greenies will have to hail trump for making our atmosphere cleaner - LOL
(and that last comment was not aimed at your goodself)

 

[Mottie]

Yes, I'm dreading 2028, when my running costs might be as high as 5p / mile...

You obviously don’t mind paying 60% of that in tax on top of all the other costs that have been sprung onto EV owners that they weren’t paying just a couple of years ago. At 3p per mile, that’s another £300 a year for the average motorist. Luxury car tax for a decent spec model, road tax, congestion charge and soon, mileage tax. Won’t be long before they will be applying an extra tax on the juice required to charge them.

 

[Avocet]

You obviously don’t mind paying 60% of that in tax on top of all the other costs that have been sprung onto EV owners that they weren’t paying just a couple of years ago. At 3p per mile, that’s another £300 a year for the average motorist. Luxury car tax for a decent spec model, road tax, congestion charge and soon, mileage tax. Won’t be long before they will be applying an extra tax on the juice required to charge them.

No, of course I don't! I never, for once second, imagined that the incentives would last forever. I've saved an absolute mint this last three years, but yeah, I always knew the day would come when I would have to shoulder my fair share of the burden. I'm slightly surprised that it has come quite so early, given how slowly the transition is going, and how desperate the government (says it is) to incentivise that transition, but in my particular special case, (company EV), I'll still be saving big for some years yet, so you don't have to worry on my account.

ICE cars have to pay luxury car tax too, if they're expensive enough - in fact, you can spend £50k on an EV before you get stung for that. It's only £40k before you have to take that hit if you're buying ICE. I did take my old Alfa out for a good run at the weekend - and loved every minute of it, but by crikey, I was glad I didn't need to fill it with E5 yesterday! And that's the thing. No matter how expensive it is going to get to run an EV, ultimately the taxation regime will always ensure that running an ICE is going to cost more, because the government doesn't want the country dependent on oil in the future...

 

[Avocet]

same ones that could get me £140 for my last van, insuring EV's is expensive, too easily written off is the excuse.

my concern with the brakes is that they never get used, normal driving the brakes get warmed up and stay dry, without purposeful exaggerated braking before parking up after a wet drive, these disks will stay wet all night, slowly become pitted, then service managers will use this as a reason fro full replacement at eye watering costs, refuse and thats the 10 year warranty out of the window.

Ha, the far left greenies will have to hail trump for making our atmosphere cleaner - LOL
(and that last comment was not aimed at your goodself)

I'd hope that a bit of shopping-around would reduce that. Most of the people I know who insure their own EVs are paying the same or slightly more than their ICEs. A few are even paying a bit less! Sure, expensive to fix if you bend them, but on the other hand, FAR less likely to get stolen.
Don't worry too much about the brakes. Here's one of mine at 50,000 miles...

If the guy was telling the truth about the pads being 10% worn at the 40,000 mile service, I'm looking forward to getting 400,000 miles out of a set of discs and pads! The lack of brake dust is a big bonus too, of course.

And don't worry, I'm very happy to give Mr. Trump credit where it's due - it's worth it just for the laughs!

 

[Munroast]

have you any idea how this 3p a mile will work ? or is it just something has unthinkingly blurted out

for starters mileometers are not very accurate, my last van over-read by 7.5% and this van is 3% out
my 96 miles yesterday was really just 93 - that is over 3% out, can't base charges on that!

never known a vehicle that does not over-read, it makes fuel consumption figures look better (the whole industry is just full of cons)