External waste pipes angle problem

[Redsquare100]

Hi, As per the image below it seems the angle of the bath and shower waste pipes is not enough to let the water flow unless I use a plunger to get it moving. How can I fix the issue. Do I get a double outlet soil push fit?

Any advice appreciated.

Thanks

 

[motorbiking]

I think its more likely to be blocked.

 

[Madrab]

Can only see the picture of the outside pipe, if there is another image then please re-post.

If you remove the AAV (durgo) off the top of the soil pipe, does it drain properly then?

 

[Redsquare100]

What other image do you need sorry? Attached another at a better angle

 

[Redsquare100]

I think its more likely to be blocked.

I have used countless unblocker solutions to no avail really, it has never flowed well in 3 years

 

[motorbiking]

Then you could cut it in lower down and cap off, this will give you the ability to improve the angle of have some head drop in the pipe at the start.

 

[Madrab]

Try taking the Auto Air vent off the top of the large soil stack pipe and see how it drains then. It's a 40mm into a 50mm so should drain without issue unless the vent isn't working or there's a restriction as @motorbiking suggests.

The waste pipe is a little flat and could do with a little more fall on it but it should still drain ok.

 

[bobasd]

There are a few instances of faulty installation showing in your pic.
And if this is how the external Soil & Waste have been left on view - then what might be happening with the drainage inside the bathroom?

From what i can see then it might be a bit too much for a DIY'er to sort out - remember that anyone fixing things would be working at height?
What you show has not been seen by a BCO - has a plumber been on site yet?


fwiw: there are other issues showing in your pic but perhaps the plumbing issues are enough for now?

 

[Redsquare100]

There are a few instances of faulty installation showing in your pic.
And if this is how the external Soil & Waste have been left on view - then what might be happening with the drainage inside the bathroom?

From what i can see then it might be a bit too much for a DIY'er to sort out - remember that anyone fixing things would be working at height?
What you show has not been seen by a BCO - has a plumber been on site yet?


fwiw: there are other issues showing in your pic but perhaps the plumbing issues are enough for now?

Was done by builders when we had the house back to brick and redone, extension built.

I will try lifting the vent off and see if it drains, if not will get a qualified plumber round.

What other issues, please fire away...thanks

 

[bobasd]

Cutting and lowering the soil pipe would be problematic with the WC branching into the bossed Tee? A new arrangement would be needed, & i dont think it would be DIY work?
I back out of making what i think should be done because i think that there might be more to this than we can see or guess.

OP,
Just seen your last post - are you happy working up a ladder, and maybe struggling with removing the AAV?
The ladder should be tied in (to fixed hooks for example) and a helper should be footing the ladder.

If you do succeed in lifting the AAV, and it does drain - then what, you cant, or shouldn't, leave the soil pipe open?
You would have to extend the soil pipe above the Tee.

 

[Redsquare100]

Ok removed the AAV and ran the shower and plunging. The AAV came off very easily, should it? Has not made any difference and the water flows freely for a while then gets worse as before. Attached a new pic of the middle waste angle if it helps. For me the fall is no where near enough and the outlet is even on an incline before it meets the connection

 

[bobasd]

There's an overflow pipe in what looks like an isolated position - what is it coming from?

The render is cracked in a number of places, significantly at the vertical join line with the new extension.
The render, to be blunt, has problems in patches & looks terrible.
Once you get blown and cracked render then water will enter behind it, and disfigure & destroy it within a few years.
Your render and external drainage would not pass even a mortgage survey without comment.

Water from above (perhaps a failed wet verge?) has cascaded down the render, staining past the overflow pipe.

Bellcast's should have been fitted above all rendered window or door openings.
And a Bell cast, or at least a Stop Bead, fitted above the String Course (the line of exposed bricks).

Why the Hopper in the down pipe drops? Plus, the pipe clips look shaky?

A photo showing where the Soil and rainwater pipes meet the ground might help a bit further?

 

[bobasd]

I didn't want to get in to deep but whatever! I admire your energy and instant response to advice.

AAV's should be fitted a min say of 150mm above the flood rim of the highest fixture eg 150mm above a WC cistern or a Ped basin.
They are usually tight fits for an obvious sealing purpose - they allow air in not out.

Maybe:
You could try replacing the waste pipe, & re-fixing a new single length thats clipped and falls to whatever drop you can squeeze out.
You snap a chalk line from fitting A to Tee boss B - and fix your clips to that line and then your pipe to the clips.
No guarantees though.

 

[Redsquare100]

There's an overflow pipe in what looks like an isolated position - what is it coming from?

The render is cracked in a number of places, significantly at the vertical join line with the new extension.
The render, to be blunt, has problems in patches & looks terrible.
Once you get blown and cracked render then water will enter behind it, and disfigure & destroy it within a few years.
Your render and external drainage would not pass even a mortgage survey without comment.

Water from above (perhaps a failed wet verge?) has cascaded down the render, staining past the overflow pipe.

Bellcast's should have been fitted above all rendered window or door openings.
And a Bell cast, or at least a Stop Bead, fitted above the String Course (the line of exposed bricks).

Why the Hopper in the down pipe drops? Plus, the pipe clips look shaky?

A photo showing where the Soil and rainwater pipes meet the ground might help a bit further?

The upper render was pre existing - Two more pics added - The hopper in the downpipes - again this was here before I moved in. The overflow was from the old separate toilet room sink upstairs which we knocked into one batchroom.

Thanks for your thoughts+time btw

 

[Redsquare100]

I didn't want to get in to deep but whatever! I admire your energy and instant response to advice.

AAV's should be fitted a min say of 150mm above the flood rim of the highest fixture eg 150mm above a WC cistern or a Ped basin.
They are usually tight fits for an obvious sealing purpose - they allow air in not out.

Maybe:
You could try replacing the waste pipe, & re-fixing a new single length thats clipped and falls to whatever drop you can squeeze out.
You snap a chalk line from fitting A to Tee boss B - and fix your clips to that line and then your pipe to the clips.
No guarantees though.

The AAV is then clearly no where near above the wc cistern! Sounds like a job for a pro as I would prob leave a leaking hazard!