Feeling electricity in water

[EFLImpudence]

The bath is plastic and upstairs

Thanks.

So, the bath cannot be earthed - nor bonded.
The pipes underneath could be.

However, your CU has all the circuits protected by RCD so it is likely, with a couple of provisos, that no bonding is required* to the pipes under the bath.

There is definitely no reason to connect a green&yellow cable from the pipes to the Main Earthing Terminal (adjacent the meter) downstairs.

Edit - * As far as the regulations are concerned.

 

[deadshort]

Right, I think you are talking about BONDING cables.

These should link the GAS supply, and the WATER supply back to the Electric supply near the meter.

From the previous posts we all assumed you had NO earthing supplying the house but picture 2 appears to me the incoming earth is present via the electric supply cable to your premises

The supply cable sheath my be broken, so i would not assume there is an earth at the intake On the positive side there are two RCD's which i would test firstly to check if there is an earth. The job looks as if it's not been done on the cheap - Hager

Regards,

DS

 

[JohnW2]

... In the case I mentioned, it was more than a year after the meter move before it was discovered that the installation had no earth (and maybe never had had an earth).

Sorry i fail to see you point? The earth could have failed the day after the meter move or the day before it was last tested.

I wasn't really making a point - beyond the fact that the meter-mover's failure to detect the fact that an earth was physically absent (not just 'failed') led to a dangerous situation persisting for at least a year longer than it needed to (even if, as is quite likely, it had been like that for decades prior to the meter move).

Kind Regards, John

 

[londoniese]

Right, I think you are talking about BONDING cables.

These should link the GAS supply, and the WATER supply back to the Electric supply near the meter.

From the previous posts we all assumed you had NO earthing supplying the house but picture 2 appears to me the incoming earth is present via the electric supply cable to your premises

The supply cable sheath my be broken, so i would not assume there is an earth at the intake On the positive side there are two RCD's which i would test firstly to check if there is an earth. The job looks as if it's not been done on the cheap - Hager
Regards,

DS

So is the installation ok?? You said the supply cable sheath may be broken.where is it situated? Remember I'm just a novice woman trying to understand. Before yes we had no ground at all so that's why we felt electricity in water.now we have ground to earth

 

[JohnW2]

Right, I think you are talking about BONDING cables.... From the previous posts we all assumed you had NO earthing supplying the house but picture 2 appears to me the incoming earth is present via the electric supply cable to your premises

The supply cable sheath my be broken, so i would not assume there is an earth at the intake

That is obviously possible, just as it's possible in any TN-S installation. However, I presume that rocky's point was that we 'all' (maybe not including you?) had been led by the OP to assume that there was an absence of a connection to any sort of earth - not that the installation was connected to a TN-S earth which happened to be faulty!

Kind Regards, John

 

[deadshort]

How do you know the earth was not present when the meter mover completed the move ? Could you prove it ? That's the point i was making.

Regards,

DS

 

[deadshort]

Right, I think you are talking about BONDING cables.

These should link the GAS supply, and the WATER supply back to the Electric supply near the meter.

From the previous posts we all assumed you had NO earthing supplying the house but picture 2 appears to me the incoming earth is present via the electric supply cable to your premises

The supply cable sheath my be broken, so i would not assume there is an earth at the intake On the positive side there are two RCD's which i would test firstly to check if there is an earth. The job looks as if it's not been done on the cheap - Hager
Regards,

DS

So is the installation ok?? You said the supply cable sheath may be broken.where is it situated? Remember I'm just a novice woman trying to understand. Before yes we had no ground at all so that's why we felt electricity in water.now we have ground to earth

If you press the test button on the RCD's x2 and they trip the power that would indicate the presence of an earth connection. Try that if they do not trip you may not have an earth.

Regards,

DS

 

[JohnW2]

So is the installation ok?? You said the supply cable sheath may be broken.where is it situated?

I think DS is probably confusing you - he was referring to the (not impossible, but very unlikely) possibility that the cable supplying your house may have a break in its sheath (underground) somewhere. The tests your electrician has done (or will do) would identify that problem if it existed - but we have no real reason to think that it does.

Before yes we had no ground at all so that's why we felt electricity in water.now we have ground to earth

I think one of the problems has been that I don't think any of us really fully understand what you mean by that (particularly now that we have seen the photos).

Kind Regards, John

 

[londoniese]

How do you know the earth was not present when the meter mover completed the move ? Could you prove it ? That's the point i was making.

Regards,

DS

Slow down its all to technical for me.

Ok we felt water in electricity and had no earth to the ground.
Electrician came and installed new fuse box. Meter is still at same place.we sent application form to have it moved. We do not feel electricity in water any more.i just want your opinion on the pictures I posted.

 

[JohnW2]

If you press the test button on the RCD's x2 and they trip the power that would indicate the presence of an earth connection.

What?!!! Do you really believe that? Do you understand what the test buttons of RCDs do?

Kind Regards, John

 

[333rocky333]

DS all your doing is confusing the OP
She has a poterntially dangerous situation
The earthing as i said appears supplied by the sheath.
Whether satisfactory or not it should have been picked up by the ELECTRICIAN shes hads in

 

[JohnW2]

How do you know the earth was not present when the meter mover completed the move ? Could you prove it ? That's the point i was making.

Slow down its all to technical for me.

Ignore DS's post - it was directed at me, not you

Kind Regards, John

 

[deadshort]

By asking the OP to test the RCD ?

DS

 

[londoniese]

So is the installation ok?? You said the supply cable sheath may be broken.where is it situated?

I think DS is probably confusing you - he was referring to the (not impossible, but very unlikely) possibility that the cable supplying your house may have a break in its sheath (underground) somewhere. The tests your electrician has done (or will do) would identify that problem if it existed - but we have no real reason to think that it does.

Before yes we had no ground at all so that's why we felt electricity in water.now we have ground to earth

I think one of the problems has been that I don't think any of us really fully understand what you mean by that (particularly now that we have seen the photos).

Kind Regards, John

We felt tingling when touching water.we had no earth at all before as the cowboys builders cut it off. Apparently the fuse box will trip with 0.03 before it was 30mamps

 

[EFLImpudence]

Apparently the fuse box will trip with 0.03 before it was 30mamps

0.03 Amps is the same as 30 milli Amps