Fit Up Number 2

[Doggit]

I have been supportive of the fact that May cannot and should not do this on her own, that others need to vote

But why; MPs voted 6 to 1 in favour of holding a referendum, and the brochure that they sent out said that they would enact the result come what may. As May is only doing what the MPs promised to do, why should they now demand a vote on the terms of what they said they'd do. Or is it that they never expected the vote to go against them, and they're now showing their true colours - untrustworthy.

 

[securespark]

They are not demanding a vote. The MP's vote is the correct procedure that has been fought for in court.

 

[HawkEye244]

Opinions on JFK aside, why do you think democracy died with him?

He was going to do away with the federal reserve and start printing interest free money.

http://www.heritech.com/pridger/lincoln/lin-ken.htm

http://www.hermes-press.com/frs1.htm

Eight families: Goldman Sachs, Rockefellers, Lehmans and Kuhn Loebs of New York; the Rothschilds of Paris and London; the Warburgs of Hamburg; the Lazards of Paris; and the Israel Moses Seifs of Rome

 

[HawkEye244]

Ah, but who was it that killed Marilyn Monroe; or even JFK himself for that matter.

Has there ever been an American President that could truly be considered honest.

Finger points to the CIA, Oswold used as a patsy.

 

[Doggit]

The MP's vote is the correct procedure that has been fought for in court

The referendum was to decide whether we wanted to stay in the EU, or to leave it, and the result was to leave, so what exactly do they need a vote on, when they agreed to the referendum in the first place, and promised to enact the result. The judges agreed to the MPs having a vote on triggering article 50, only because they are Europhiles, and always doff their hats in the EUs direction. Somehow, although parliament agreed to the referendum, it now seems as though it's they who didn't understand what they were giving us, and now want to decide on what sort of brexit we should be allowed. if it goes their way, then they'll go for the so called soft brexit, keep us in the EU, and completely destroy any vague notion of democracy that we have.

 

[securespark]

As you wish.

 

[Judy in the sky]

Looking at various videos on YouTube, the American Presidential Election was "almost" fixed. Did anyone see the electronic polling booth videos , showing people pressing the Trump/ Pence button, only to find the light lit up on the Clinton/ Kaine side? Only when voters complained was this "problem" fixed.

 

[noseall]

Looking at various videos on YouTube, the American Presidential Election was "almost" fixed. Did anyone see the electronic polling booth videos , showing people pressing the Trump/ Pence button, only to find the light lit up on the Clinton/ Kaine side? Only when voters complained was this "problem" fixed.

These wouldn't be the hoax videos being circulated for the benefit of the gullible and naïve, i.e. DIYnot RWR faithful?

 

[wobs]

The referendum was to decide whether we wanted to stay in the EU, or to leave it, and the result was to leave, so what exactly do they need a vote on, when they agreed to the referendum in the first place, and promised to enact the result. The judges agreed to the MPs having a vote on triggering article 50, only because they are Europhiles, and always doff their hats in the EUs direction. Somehow, although parliament agreed to the referendum, it now seems as though it's they who didn't understand what they were giving us, and now want to decide on what sort of brexit we should be allowed. if it goes their way, then they'll go for the so called soft brexit, keep us in the EU, and completely destroy any vague notion of democracy that we have.

First of all, you clearly haven't read up on the fact that the referendum was advisory. Or maybe you have no respect for the law?

Also, there is no mandate for a hard Brexit. If anything, the opposite is true, as it was such a close result. Firstly, the referendum made no distinction as to what sort of Brexit we wanted.

Secondly, given the closeness of the result, there are huge swathes of our population that do not want a hard Brexit (and that goes for people both sides of the debate).

Third, the amount of Regrexit shows us that if we were to run it again, there is a good chance that it would go the other way.

Just because you want a hard Brexit, deny Parliamentary Sovereignty, and ignore the law does not mean that others wish to be less than democratic.

 

[transam]

The high court judgment said that parliament was to be consulted over Brexit/article 50

it is not a judgement that is over turning the referendum result !!!!!!!!!!!! despite what the plaintiffs who brought the case & the remoaners would like it to do !!!

We live in a parliamentary democracy there fore it is right & proper for parliament to be consulted.

In theory they could vote against Brexit. But they will not!!!! even if they wanted to , which most of em probably do.

Also the vote to leave the EU , was also a vote for our parliamentary democracy , one can hardly start moaning when this is exactly what will be happening.

those who voted out & have subsequently changed there mind = Tough get over it. Those who voted in and lost = tough get over it.

 

[wobs]

The high court judgment said that parliament was to be consulted over Brexit/article 50

it is not a judgement that is over turning the referendum result !!!!!!!!!!!! despite what the plaintiffs who brought the case & the remoaners would like it to do !!!

It is largely the Leavers who have thought this.
I have yet to meet any remainer who thinks it overturns the referendum.

We live in a parliamentary democracy there fore it is right & proper for parliament to be consulted.

In theory they could vote against Brexit. But they will not!!!! even if they wanted to , which most of em probably do.

I have a feeling you are right. May has said she will go against the wishes of her constituents, and most MPs will be too scared.

Also the vote to leave the EU , was also a vote for our parliamentary democracy , one can hardly start moaning when this is exactly what will be happening.

But this is exactly what Leavers have been complaining about.

those who voted out & have subsequently changed there mind = Tough get over it. Those who voted in and lost = tough get over it.

Those that lose their jobs when the economy tanks, those that are on the receiving end of racism because some idiots feel validated......

Good to know we are such a caring society.[/sarcasm]

 

[Doggit]

First of all, you clearly haven't read up on the fact that the referendum was advisory

Whilst the government has the right to ignore a referendum, the £9 leaflet that they sent out said that they would enact the result, so whilst a referendum is advisory, they promised to go along with it, so please explain where I am disrespecting the law.

And I fail to see

Secondly, given the closeness of the result, there are huge swathes of our population that do not want a hard Brexit (and that goes for people both sides of the debate).

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The debate wasn't about a hard or soft brexit, it was about leaving the EU, it's then up to the negotiators to determine the best terms they can get.

Third, the amount of Regrexit shows us that if we were to run it again, there is a good chance that it would go the other way

More than likely, but totally immaterial. You throw the dice, and then deal with the result.

Just because you want a hard Brexit, deny Parliamentary Sovereignty, and ignore the law does not mean that others wish to be less than democratic.

I don't particularly want a hard brexit, but will accept it if that's all that's on offer to get out of the EU. And I fail to see how the government promising to enact the will of the people, is me denying parliamentary sovereignty

We live in a parliamentary democracy there fore it is right & proper for parliament to be consulted

But as MPs voted 6 to 1 in favour of giving us a referendum on whether we wanted to leave or stay in the EU, just what the heck are they getting consulted on. It's like asking for the terms a divorce settlement before you'll decide whether you'll divorce your partner.

In theory they could vote against Brexit. But they will not!!!! even if they wanted to , which most of em probably do.

Don't you bet on it, they're stupid enough to think they know better, and may well just show their normal disdain for us. I wish I was as trusting as you are.

those who voted out & have subsequently changed there mind = Tough get over it. Those who voted in and lost = tough get over it

Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[JohnD]

ignore

Where did you get that idea from? Invented it? Or read it in the Daily Mail?

Or do you live in a land where "ignore" means "follow due process?"

 

[Doggit]

Referendums are not legally binding, so legally the Government can ignore the results

From WIKEPEDAIA actually.

 

[JohnD]

and have you seen any sign that it is being ignored?

Referenda can be binding or they can be advisory. You have to define it beforehand. This one was not binding, and it has to go through Parliament.