Floating sockets..

[JohnW2]

You do make some good points. ... But im sticking to my guns

I haven't been asking you not to stick to your guns. On the contrary, I've been trying to gain an understanding of your thinking and, once I've achieved that, who knows - I might come to be convinced that your thinking is better than mine!

With my understanding as it currently is, my main problem is in understanding how/why the method of connection of 'something' ('anything') via flex to 'the mains' can be OK (no code) if the connection is via a plug/socket (with screwed terminals in both) but 'needing improvement' (C3) if the connection is directly to screwed terminals in an accessory.

 

[pete01]

Something like this although probably not dangerous i would want it removed, would you not?

 

[pete01]

Where as this (with the correct plug) is fine with me.

 

[JohnW2]

Something like this although probably not dangerous i would want it removed, would you not?

I'm not sure what that plug is (or what it is plugged into), so I find it hard to comment.

 

[JohnW2]

Where as this (with the correct plug) is fine with me.

Is that plug not identical to the one in your previous post that you say you would want removed? What are those plugs?

 

[pete01]

It's best AI image I could come up with, its not a real plug.

 

[JohnW2]

It's best AI image I could come up with, its not a real plug.

Ah

Looking at what I recently implied, you might perhaps have to do a little thinking (at least, in the name of 'consistency') if you looked at things 'the other way around'...

... we often see (here and elsewhere) people being advised that ovens and other 'large loads' (including 3 kW heaters and even induction hobs which are current-limited to 13A) are really best hard-wired to an FCU, rather than fed via BS1363 plug/socket, and even more so for 3 kW immersions, which many people say should never be fed via a 13A plug/socket.

If people take that advice, are you really going to come along and give the result a "C3", recommending that the flex should be disconnected from the FCU, and then the FCU replaced with a socket into which a plug attached to the end of the flex is plugged?

 

[pete01]

If people take that advice, are you really going to come along and give the result a "C3", recommending that the flex should be disconnected from the FCU, and then the FCU replaced with a socket into which a plug attached to the end of the flex is plugged?

Nope, as there probably isn't a better way to wire an oven or 3kw immersion and they aren't generally lying on the floor

 

[JohnW2]

Nope, as there probably isn't a better way to wire an oven or 3kw immersion and they aren't generally lying on the floor

OK. Maybe I've misunderstood again, because I thought you were happy with a 'proper trailing socket', wired with flex, lying on the floor, provide that the other end of the flex was plugged into a socket and not 'hard wired'!

Whatever, I think this discussion has served one purpose. We have been able to 'discuss', 'ad infinitum' an issue which is really very trivial, but about which opinions/views seem to vary. That being the case, you can hopefully understand why I am concerned about the subjectivity, lack of consistency and lack of regulation of far more important aspects of EICR coding?