Gap houses

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

Wouldn't be good enough for asylum seekers though, oh deary me no.

I assume asylum seekers don't have the capital to purchase a caravan, and the housing authorities don't own any of the caravans, and I assume it's not possible to get a mortgage on a caravan.
So as usual fillyboy is talking out of his rear end, and practising his extreme bigotry in the process.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

We really do need socialism in our society, capitalism would be unbearable for a steadily increasing proportion if it were left uncontrolled, but we don't need or want Marxism. They know this, they know that their only route to power is to hijack & infect less extreme politics & corrupt it from within. Like a parasite.

Interesting that you think this only happens on the left of politics, but couldn't happen on the right of politics.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

For some reason, people want to live in and around London, where house prices are stupid, and it is not just local people who want to live there, people come from all over for many reasons, and a lot want to live in one of the most expensive cities in the world, then complain they can't afford a house.

I have never understood any of that. I spent 6 months working in the London area, there during the week, back home for the weekends, staying in hotels. Horrible experience, was I glad to get back home to civilisation.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

366,000

Source, please.

food, clothing, heating, yes.

Thats a start.

But youre already on the back foot regarding the ability of people in low-paid work to afford those. Then there is the (also widely reported) fact that in poor areas there isnt even any access to healthy food.

TV, iphone , designer clothes, NO.

How about an android phone?

How good a one?

No, Im not being facetious - more and more essential services are only accessible online, so how do you think people should access them? The cheapest deals for gas and electricity, something of particular importance if youre low paid, are only available online, so how should people access those?

Do you think that low-paid people should have phones at all?

Regarding your "no" list in general, and the philosophy behind it, do you not care about the effects on the attitude of people to society, their sense of belonging, their mental health, if they grow up in deprivation, utterly cut off from all the things they see advertised, and see their schoolmates having, because the people who pay their parent(s) wont pay them a decent wage? Do you wonder what the long term effects could be on an adult wrt his development as a member of society if he spent his childhood having his nose rubbed in the fact that hard work does not pay?

And you havent mentioned housing at all. Is that on your "yes" list or your "no" one?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Jesus wept, how can anyone say that's affordable

The sort of person who says things like

Seems once the younger generation are forced to stay at home and save they find the money easy enough.

If they were willing to sacrifice some of there lifestyle in the short term they could easily garner a deposit.

They don't have to have fancy cars, clothes, expensive nights out, multiple holidays a year, latest fancy iPhones etc etc

To buy my first house 7 years ago, I sold all my "toys" so did my now wife, and we limited our going out for a year.

Had the 15k deposit and solicitor fees in no time really.

probably thinks it is affordable.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

What extreme Marxist socialists don't seem able to grasp is the fact that if you build it they will come.

There is a BIG difference between can't work & won't work, why should anyone bother to go to work if the socialists provide.

We really do need socialism in our society, capitalism would be unbearable for a steadily increasing proportion if it were left uncontrolled, but we don't need or want Marxism. They know this, they know that their only route to power is to hijack & infect less extreme politics & corrupt it from within. Like a parasite.

As has been proven in many large cities where demand & therefore rents are high, people are getting the keys to these houses, immediately sub letting & pocketing the difference.

Grenfell Tower. How many residents were the official tenants???

Extreme socialists are ruining our society in the belief that we will turn to them to rebuild it.

1) Where an earth does a rant about "extreme Marxist socialists" come from, and how on earth is it justified, when the discussion is about the lack of affordable housing in the UK? What sort of person describes the idea that affordable housing is a good thing to have as "extreme Marxist socialism"? What rabidly distorted view of the world does that sort of person have if they look at democratic, fully capitalist, countries which do have good affordable/social housing policies, and say that they are "extreme Marxist socialist" countries?

2) WT* does the status of the people in a block of flats, owned and managed in a fully capitalist system, have to do with the fact that 72 of them died in a fire which happened because it was shoddily built in order to prioritise capitalist interests?

Grenfell Tower. How many residents were the official tenants???

Utterly disgusting and debased question.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

We should STOP paying ALL housing benefits immediately.

So what do you want to happen to people whose employer goes bankrupt, for example?

What do you want to happen to the businesses of people who have premises in London?

 

[Ihavenojob]

Source, please.

Unemployed men and women | Trust for London
But take into account pensioners and children, then the number will be many more

How about an android phone?

No

How good a one?

No
Some charities give out computers to people in hardship, they don't need a phone.

And you havent mentioned housing at all.

I did, you're just too thick to take note, or in such a rage your vision is impaired. Chill, you look in danger of exploding.

 

[sxturbo]

The sort of person who says things like

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probably thinks it is affordable.

Well the figures clearly speak for themselves, it seems you've only picked on my post purely to try and antagonise.

 

[Ihavenojob]

Well the figures clearly speak for themselves, it seems you've only picked on my post purely to try and antagonise.

That is Himmys MO, and possibly it's raison d'etre.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Unemployed men and women | Trust for London

That site says

The unemployment count has increased significantly in 2020/2021 to 366,000 people, reaching levels not seen since 2013/2014. This increase is likely the result of the slowdown of the economy caused by the coronavirus pandemic, which is only partially captured by this indicator. Other factors, such as those put on furlough and the change in inactivity within the labour market, should also be considered.

You said

A huge amount in London don't work, why should they live in expensive accommodation at the tax payers expense ?

Not sure if about 5-6% of the working age population counts as "huge".

Do you know how many of that 366,000 are claiming benefits? Does the figure include people who are not working and not claiming benefits, for example full-time parents with a partner that works?

Have you read any of the other articles on that site, about poverty in London, for example?

But in any event, what do you think should happen to people working and living in London who lose their job? Do you think they should also lose their home?

But take into account pensioners and children, then the number will be many more

How many pensioners and children live in expensive accommodation at the tax payers expense?

What do you think should be done with the pensioners and children who live in London?

Some charities give out computers to people in hardship, they don't need a phone.

Do they give out broadband connections too?

Does not having a phone make it

a) Easier, or
b) Harder

to find a job?

Do you think the benefits system should work in a way which makes it

a) Easier, or
b) Harder

to find a job?

Because of the pandemic face-to-face meetings at Jobcentres were stopped in March 2020 and replaced with phone consulatations. How does that work for people who dont have a phone?

And you havent mentioned housing at all.

I did, you're just too thick to take note, or in such a rage your vision is impaired.

Enough to be able to afford decent housing.

Which is how much ?

I dont know the specific amount, but I do know from widespread and long time reporting that the lowest paid dont get paid enough to afford those things.

Do you think they do?

What things. necessities or luxuries ?

Stop wriggling, and refer to the earlier post.

For the avoidance ofany doubt, and the assistance of those who cant concentrate for long (like you), that earlier post mentioned housing.

Your reply?

food, clothing, heating, yes. TV, iphone , designer clothes, NO.

Nope, no mention of housing.


I asked about food, clothing, housing and providing a life for the family

Enough to be able to eat properly.

Enough to be able to feed your kids properly

Enough to be able to clothe them properly.

Enough to be able to afford decent housing.

Enough to be able to provide a life so that your kids dont grow up feeling that they are not part of society.

Enough so that if you get ill your life doesnt fall apart.

You replied about

food, clothing, heating, yes. TV, iphone , designer clothes, NO.

So no, you didnt mention housing.

What was that about being thick?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Well the figures clearly speak for themselves, it seems you've only picked on my post purely to try and antagonise.

Not at all.

If you think that, perhaps the problem really lies in the disparity between your waffle about how easy it is for people to get a house if they want to, and the reality of what houses actually cost.

 

[fillyboy]

Only two classes of people can afford to live in London these days.

The very rich

and

The very poor

Basically you need to be either very wealthy, or on benefits.

 

[sxturbo]

Not at all.

If you think that, perhaps the problem really lies in the disparity between your waffle about how easy it is for people to get a house if they want to, and the reality of what houses actually cost.

As stated the evidence suggests as per the article I provided that first time house purchases are at there highest for a number of years.

I have been a first time buyer quite recently and live in an area of the UK where house prices have been statistically and consistently high, not quite the realms of London though, and I managed it by being smart, and not expecting that it was just going to be handed to me on a plate.

There is some cases where owning a house will be but a pipe dream or at the least extremely difficult, and that has been the case throughout history.

Young people in Devon and Cornwall are just royally buggered by the wealthy, (I believe there should be huge tax burdens for those that own 2nd homes, to avoid what has happened there). Those that rent properties should have to be setup as a business and pay corporation tax each year on the earnings from the house and the yearly value increase of the property.

Notice how cars have gone up drastically in price over the past few years yet there is very few youngsters certainly round my way that are not driving round in an new/almost new BMW 1 series, Audi A3, mini etc etc these cars cost in the region of 25k for a mid spec one, which is a deposit for a house.

 

[Ihavenojob]

Nope, no mention of housing.

Really ? You said

Heres a puzzle for you - where do you think they should live if they work there?

To which I replied

Beggars can't be choosers, if you were unemployed and desperate, you would take what was offered.

Do they give out broadband connections too?

Plenty of free wifi spots in London

How many pensioners and children live in expensive accommodation at the tax payers expense?

most property in London is expensive, any pensioner on a state pension or child whose parents receive child benefit are doing so at the tax payers expense

Not sure if about 5-6% of the working age population counts as "huge".

so you don't think 366,00 is a huge number ?

Do you know how many of that 366,000 are claiming benefits? Does the figure include people who are not working and not claiming benefits, for example full-time parents with a partner that works?

No I don't know, but I would think the government get the figures from people signing on, so it will be a figure quite close to that, so still quite a huge number.