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Germany vs UK Corona Testing

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by SirGalahad, 20 Mar 2020.

  1. SirGalahad

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    Headline figures

    Germany 16,290 cases and 44 deaths, Germany is testing at 160k tests a week

    UK 3269 cases, 144 deaths total of 64621 tests completed in total

    UK has 6.6 ICU beds per 100k capita

    Germany has 29.2 per 100k capita

    The UK mortality rate is higher compared to Germanys as we are not testing enough. If we tested more than we would obviously record more cases but the mortality rate would drop.

    We need to test more people.
     
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  3. Money. That's what it all boils down to imo.
     
  4. ajohn

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    And capabilities - the sad fact. Germany had far more ITU's than others before this started.

    LOL Also maybe because outside of the UK europe tends to lean more left wing than one of the parties in the UK.
     
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    Yes Germany has got more money

    After all they pay fck all for defence leave it to the Americans
    UK
    Poland

    Whist they spend there supposed contribution else where ;)

    Floggin billions of euros worth of arms to the Greeks

    Going on endless holidays hoggin all the deck chairs at the resorts whilst have belching contests :LOL:

    Embarrassing themselves wearing lederhosen
     
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    S*** hits the fan and the krauts are out of it doing a runner

    My mate went to luxor just after that terrorist attack years ago

    Plane half empty all the krauts cancelled

    He got interviewed on Egyptian TV when he got of the plane he gave a rousing speech

    We brits are made if sterner stuff (hic) he had had a few on the plane

    Had his union Jack shorts on and a knotted hanky on his ead :LOL::LOL:

    Jeez us it makes u proud to be British :LOL:
     
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    ;) You'd be surprised how many Germans think they would be better off out of the EU as they feel they carry it.

    Bit like here really as they don't realise where the money goes and that aspect is covered by those that can afford it. Some get more back than they pay. Clearly screwball but actually long term isn't 'cause eventually they will contribute more too.
     
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    Like always more info needed. A German doctor just explained why on TV - they have tested more. We are testing few so you would expect basic death rate to look lower in Germany. He also mentioned that usage of there critical beds is currently low but expects it to increase.

    The UK graph site of people into hospital hasn't updated yet today.
     
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    They are testing vastly more people, including people who haven't got it.

    If you live in a country where only people who appear to be infected and very ill are being tested (you do) then of course the percentage of positives will be high.

    If you live in a country where things are taken seriously, people are diligent, and buffoons are not elected to high office (you don't), you may be lucky enough to find that lots of tests are carried out, and the public, and health authorities, have a much more accurate knowledge of the number of cases. Germany conducts more than 160,000 tests per week.

    "Germany’s coronavirus anomaly: high infection rates but few deaths

    Widespread testing may explain low fatality figures in country that is bucking trend in Europe

    The coronavirus crisis has hit Germany with full force. Infections are increasing rapidly, schools, factories and bars have closed across the country, and government measures to slow the outbreak are becoming more draconian by the day.

    In one crucial way, however, the country is proving remarkably resilient: relative to known infections, the number of deaths has so far been minuscule.

    According to data from Johns Hopkins University, there were 13,979 coronavirus infections in Germany on Thursday afternoon, more than in any other country except China, Italy, Iran and Spain."
    https://www.ft.com/content/c0755b30-69bb-11ea-800d-da70cff6e4d3


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    "In the short term at least, mass testing feeds through into a lower fatality rate because it allows authorities to detect cases of Covid-19 even in patients who suffer few or no symptoms, and who have a much better chance of survival. It also means that Germany is likely to have a lower number of undetected cases than countries where testing is less prevalent.

    Indeed, one notable feature of the coronavirus outbreak in Germany so far is the high number of relatively young patients: according to data from the Robert Koch Institute, more than 80 per cent of all people infected with the coronavirus are younger than 60."
     
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    "In the short term at least, mass testing feeds through into a lower fatality rate because it allows authorities to detect cases of Covid-19 even in patients who suffer few or no symptoms, and who have a much better chance of survival. It also means that Germany is likely to have a lower number of undetected cases than countries where testing is less prevalent. Indeed, one notable feature of the coronavirus outbreak in Germany so far is the high number of relatively young patients: according to data from the Robert Koch Institute, more than 80 per cent of all people infected with the coronavirus are younger than 60.

    “Especially at the beginning of the outbreak in Germany we saw many cases connected to people returning from skiing trips and similar holidays,” said Matthias Stoll, a professor of medicine at the University of Hanover. “These are predominantly people who are younger than 80 and who are fit enough to ski or engage in similar activities. Their risk of dying is comparatively low.”

    Hans-Georg Kräusslich, a professor of medicine and the head of virology at the University Hospital in Heidelberg, said: “In most cases the illness is mild and shows few symptoms, and we assume that the detection of such mild cases varies from country to country. In statistical terms that leads to a difference in case fatality rates.”

    However, Prof Kräusslich cautioned that the picture in Germany was likely to change in the weeks and months ahead: “We are still at a relatively early stage in the outbreak in Germany. The overwhelming share of patients became infected only in the last week or two, and we will probably see more severe cases in the future as well as a change in the fatality rate.”

    That note of caution is echoed by virologists and epidemiologists across the country. Most expect the different national case fatality rates to converge as time passes and more countries uncover the true number of infections. But experts also point out that Germany has at least had the chance to prepare for a surge in serious infections, with hospitals across the country expanding intensive care capacity and boosting staff numbers and the government buying up as much critical equipment as it can.

    Last week, the federal government ordered an extra 10,000 life-saving ventilators from a German manufacturer, on top of the 25,000 that are already in place in hospitals across the country. The city state of Berlin, which has so far recorded 391 cases of Covid-19, is converting parts of the local trade fair ground into a 1,000-bed hospital for future coronavirus patients. Similar steps have been taken across the country.

    “We are at the beginning, so we can still implement all the measures that have been called for,” said Prof Wieler. “We can still ensure that severely ill people can get treatment in the hospital.”
     
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    Has Iceland got the virus

    Iceland the country
     
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    Yes it has, read and comprehend THIS

    Nearly 4000 people are in quarantine in Iceland and 330 people have been confirmed as having Covid-19. Seven are currently hospitalised and nine have recovered.
     
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    One person every 10 minutes is snuffing it in Iran

    Dare say the mad mullahs will. Explain it as a conspiracy by the great Satan :LOL: countries

    Mean while bomb building continues
     
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    Being tested on a Monday and negative results issued on a Wed does not flag that you may have been contaminated on the Tue.
    The Uk's idea to test only if symptomatic seems sensible.
     
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