Governed by whom ?

Notch7 said:
Funny that, you change your tune to suit your argument.

When its about immigration, apparently Freedom of movement is negotiable. Now when talking about a deal freedom of movement is not negotiable.
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Wrong again. All existing EU countries had/have the right to limit cross-EU free movement (over set time periods) from new countries after they joined the EU.
Further opt-outs of 'free movement' could be applied for under 'certain circumstances'.

The UK for whatever reason chose not to exercise those rights even though they qualified under those 'certain circumstances'.

That is not 'negotiation', because it was set in EU rules - rules that we helped write!
 
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ellal said:
Wrong again. All existing EU countries had/have the right to limit cross-EU free movement (over set time periods) from new countries after they joined the EU.
Further opt-outs of 'free movement' could be applied for under 'certain circumstances'.

The UK for whatever reason chose not to exercise those rights even though they qualified under those 'certain circumstances'.

That is not 'negotiation', because it was set in EU rules - rules that we helped write!
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Poor old ellal, he's wrong again.

The free movement of people is non negotiable.......its true.
Dont believe me? Go and ask your chums in Brussels.
 
Notch7 said:
When its about immigration, apparently Freedom of movement is negotiable.
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I don't know why you feel the need to make up this nonsense. Trying to keep up your spirits, perhaps.

You already know about the limitations on the free movement of citizens moving for work. It's been explained to you numerous times. EU Freedom of Movement is not about migration.
 
JohnD said:
I don't know why you feel the need to make up this nonsense. Trying to keep up your spirits, perhaps.

You already know about the limitations on the free movement of citizens moving for work. It's been explained to you numerous times. EU Freedom of Movement is not about migration.
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How can you say the free movement of people is not about migration?
Im sure the leaders in Lithuania would disagree considering vast numbers of their skilled working population have gone where the money is.


I made this point: freedom of movement is non negotiable.......please point out exactly where that is made up nonsense.

I know there are restrictions, but you love to conflate the argument by making it seem that freedom of movement is negotiable.
 
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ellal said:
France did the right thing and they get far more tourism to their 'royal free' palace attractions than the UK. In fact they get far more tourism full stop!

And what 'royal yacht' are you talking about?
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THe Royal yacht that the queen used to use (since scrapped or sold) was it called the Brittania ???

france :LOL: who cares.

Dare say Thailand gets a lot of tourism ;)

was there not a Republican rally on the day of the wedding ? Think 70 ish turned up :LOL:
 
Notch7 said:
making it seem that freedom of movement is negotiable.
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Nonsense.

Notch7 said:
How can you say the free movement of people is not about migration?
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What do you think "migration" is?

Have you never travelled for work?

What do you think are the rules around Free Movement of Labour within the EU? You've been shown them often enough.
 
JohnD said:
What do you think are the rules around Free Movement of Labour within the EU? You've been shown them often enough.
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You still havent answered, is the free movement of people negotiable or not?

You keep mentioning rules around free movement, but you dont actually explain what they are. Perhaps you might to enlighten us.......
 
The Free Movement of Labour is one of the core principles of EU membership. It is not, however, limitless, as you know. The rules have been explained to you in the past, there's no point in me wasting my time showing them to you again. You'll only pretend not to know, like you're doing now.

Why are you saying you think it should be "negotiable?"
 
Notch7 said:
The free movement of people is non negotiable.......its true.
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Wrong again - you're making a habit of this!

"Free movement rights can be restricted under EU law if: for discriminatory or distinctly applicable restrictive measures, a derogation ground expressly provided for in the TFEU can be engaged; for indirectly or non-discriminatory, that is, indistinctly applicable restrictive measures, an overriding requirement relating to the public interest that is capable of justifying a restriction of the fundamental freedoms established by the Treaty can be demonstrated; and in both cases, the restriction also satisfies a proportionality test, that is, it is both appropriate and necessary for achieving the relevant public interest objective."

Thus something that can be justified/negotiated!

Or in a simpler form for some ;)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/24/brexit-deal-free-movement-exemption-seven-years

"Plans to allow the United Kingdom an exemption from EU rules on freedom of movement for up to seven years while retaining access to the single market are being considered in European capitals as part of a potential deal on Brexit.

Senior British and EU sources have confirmed that despite strong initial resistance from French president François Hollande in talks with prime minister Theresa May last week, the idea of an emergency brake on the free movement of people that would go far further than the one David Cameron negotiated before the Brexit referendum is being examined."

'Non negotiable'?
 
Notch already knows he's talking nonsense.

He just like to spread false rumours to stir up people in dark-coloured shirts, like Hawkeye.
 
ellal said:
"Plans to allow the United Kingdom an exemption from EU rules on freedom of movement for up to seven years while retaining access to the single market are being considered in European capitals as part of a potential deal on Brexit.
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Irrelevant.
ship has sailed on that one....why dont you ask the labour party, they were in power....

ellal said:
"Free movement rights can be restricted under EU law if: for discriminatory or distinctly applicable restrictive measures, a derogation ground expressly provided for in the TFEU can be engaged; for indirectly or non-discriminatory, that is, indistinctly applicable restrictive measures, an overriding requirement relating to the public interest that is capable of justifying a restriction of the fundamental freedoms established by the Treaty can be demonstrated; and in both cases, the restriction also satisfies a proportionality test, that is, it is both appropriate and necessary for achieving the relevant public interest objective."

Thus something that can be justified/negotiated!
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In other words you dont know, its not defined.
 
Notch7 said:
In other words you dont know, its not defined.
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That's why it's 'negotiable' :ROFLMAO:

Quit whilst you're behind, notch

Because that word 'irrelevant' is becoming synonymous with your username!
 
 
Notch7 said:
Well in that case, go and argue your case with these people, as they all say its not negotiable:
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'Not negotiable' within the existing rules of the EU charter - which allows for certain negotiated exemptions as I've pointed out!
(Do you dispute those exemption clauses exist?)

Jeez, you really are like a dog with a bone.

Although on second thoughts that's actually being unfair to dogs - because at least they know when to give up on fighting a losing battle!
 
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