Heat exchanger for open vent boilers

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I am asking because one of the boilers I am looking at, the Alpha regular boiler, seems to be the only open vent boiler to use the common stainless steel Sermeta/Giannoni heat exchanger used on top of the range Vaillant/Ideal/Baxi combi and system boilers. The design seems to have lots of quite narrow tubes. I believe Vaillant used to use the same heat exchanger on their open vent boilers, but stopped in 2016, and started using an aluminium design instead. I was wondering whether open vent systems might be inherently more dirty and prone to blocking these narrow tubes.

Photo comparing with Viessmann heat exchanger.

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No, an open vented system can be kept just as clean as a sealed system, the key is good/proper design and regular maintenance.

Thanks, that's good to know. Can a system which has got a bit dirty be brought back into good order? I believe the previous owner hadn't used inhibitor for a long time. The last plumber said the water actually looked pretty good, but it certainly isn't spotless.
 
Can a system which has got a bit dirty be brought back into good order?
Certainly can. May need a cleaner run through and flushed clean etc and a bit of a health check but does need someone that is familiar with open vent systems, as they can sometime take a bit of coaxing and handled with kid gloves as they can be temperamental when draining and filling etc
 
No, an open vented system can be kept just as clean as a sealed system, the key is good/proper design and regular maintenance.

Maybe a qualified yes re keeping a OV system just as clean as a sealed system.
My own, 52 year old OV system has system water perfectly clean with some rads over 40 years old, I have a combined vent and cold feed (but the vent is carried on up and over the F&E cistern, however the much more common and accepted way is to have a VCP system, where from the boiler (flow) you have the Vent, then, no more than 150mm away, the Cold feed, then the Pump, some of these systems, for various reasons do suffer from pump over through the vent leading to aeration of the system water leading to corrosion and sludge, I have seen systems that were converted from apparently perfectly installed VCP systems that still suffered from pump over, to a combined exactly like mine with no further problems.
A sealed system, on the other hand, theoretically, cannot get air ingress for obvious reasons except a very minor leak isn't addressed leading to constant top ups and oxygen release from the make up water. Even sealed systems, unless the inhibitor levels are kept up can have far more corrosion/sludge than a OV system with little or no inhibitor, my theory, for what its worth, is that and air/gases will vent through the OV system but cannot with a sealed system.
 

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I think there are balanced arguments for both. The issue that seems to be more prevalent in the UK than say Europe is the quality and design of the systems. So many CH system here are incorrectly designed, set out, configured and maintained.

In theory a properly cleaned and inhibited sealed or OV system should be just as efficient @ minimising corrosion due to the fact that once the system balances out and all dissolved 02 is used up, then as long as the system stays sealed then no fresh 02 should ever need to be added, by water escaping and fresh oxygenated water needing to be added.

With an OV system then there can be a few more avenues for fresh 02 finding its way in due to pumping over, or pump draw, that then requires the F&E cistern to make it up, refilling itself with fresh oxygenated water automatically and that is then drawn into the system. I do have to suggest though that a properly designed and setup OV system shouldn't ever pump over or suffer from pump draw, if it does then it hasn't been installed properly. As long as it is designed properly though, installed and setup correctly and is well maintained then it too should stay free from corrosion.

The difference IMO though is the sealed system has to be physically topped up therefore that interaction should be identified as the system losing pressure and the cause should be found and rectified ASAP. An OV system with a F&E cistern can do that top up automatically therefore if the leak isn't apparent then it can continue that way to the point where the system becomes overly restricted by corrosion and that can then compound the issue invariably causing pump over or draw.

I look after both types and the oldest system I have is an OV system in a large detached house, 18 large rads and 2 HW cylinders, it has been in for at least 40 odd years and is squeaky clean. I also have a sealed system that's 30 odd years old and it's just as clean.

As far as having a combined feed and vent though, if it was needed when converted then there's no real reason the change it but I don't believe it was ever a standard vented system design principle. They can sometime be troublesome for trapping air and can make it more difficult to fill and bleed. Combined feed and vent was introduced more as a fix/solution for the OV problem of pumping over or pump air draw on older systems that weren't performing properly when systems became restricted/blocked or being extended incorrectly without the correct considerations/configurations.
 
I've allways kept the isolating (service) valve to the F&E cistern closed, I occasionally look into the cistern but it never takes even a drop of water when I open the service valve and briefly depress the ball.
 
I am asking because one of the boilers I am looking at, the Alpha regular boiler, seems to be the only open vent boiler to use the common stainless steel Sermeta/Giannoni heat exchanger used on top of the range Vaillant/Ideal/Baxi combi and system boilers.

I am just posting to correct the above information I gave. It looks like it is a different stainless steel heat exchanger in the Alpha boilers. The same basic coiled design, but probably not the one mentioned above.
 
I am just posting to correct the above information I gave. It looks like it is a different stainless steel heat exchanger in the Alpha boilers. The same basic coiled design, but probably not the one mentioned above.

Actually this one I now believe. I think it is a single pass with wider tubes than the one in the OP.

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My own, 52 year old OV system has system water perfectly clean with some rads over 40 years old,

My own OV system is a similar age, and likewise, perfectly clean. Maintained carefully by me, since new. It has had one radiator replaced, but only to make way for a stair-lift.
 

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