help damsel in distress with a log burner!!!

[expertgasman]

So you are a fmily of builders,and feel confident to fit a stove, but don't know how to start! You also seem intent on starting without informing BC at the outset. This is either a complete wind up or your family are the original Bodgitt & Scarper Ltd.

 

[big-all]

i am very surpised at the replies we will have building controls come in and certify as we have had them do for everything else we have done to the property thus far i was looking for some advice as to where to start thats all but what i got is interesting to say the least. I do not cut courners or penny pinch but simply looking for advice but what I got was asking me to hand over a lot of money to people without knowing what they were saying was true. This is supposed to be a DIY site. I would also point out we already have smoke heat and I am sure we can add carbon monoxide sensors in our property trhat are mains rather than battery units.

heeellloo again horsemadmummy
what you need to realise most people dont know whats required what scesible and whats safe we could not sleep at night if we didn't give out fair accurate and safe information
you also need to remember every thread may be read by many people so the full process including unrelated point may be brought up to make the answer "safe and accurate"

we don't know your skill level or your awareness off whats required so a statement or question is the usual first step then your response helps us decide the way to go with advice

you need to inform building control before installation to get advice to your points its no good us suggesting a solution if the person passing it disagrees

 

[dcawkwell]

Don't bother the woodburner is messy and slow to heat up as well as needing lighting and addition of more wood.
Get yourself a nice gas fire no hassle, clean, heat at the press of a button.

Knew you'd be posting soon ! Kill joy

I'm going to have to become more unpredictable.

 

[masona]

you all seem to be missing the point - we wil be getting building regs approval but would like to do the work our selves to keep costs down so were looking for some guidance so that we could do it ourselves.

Ok, You can fit your own stove but you must have it inspected by the BCO, was told £400. The HETAS guy can self certify their installation which will be quicker as they notify your local council. When I fitted my stove I searched all the information on the building regs and sent the drawing plan online calculation for the length of flue pipe and what I needed, then got the Hetas guy to give me the Certificate of Compliance and the Data Plate signed, like I say I was lucky the Hetas guy was happy to signed it off, if not then BCO route. There's plenty info on the net and shouldn't really be asking on here as the information you're asking is there, you'll have to check if this is the latest regs below, hope this helps

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_ADJ_2010.pdf

 

[horsemadmummy]

thankyou for those who have offered advice. The stove is an esyfit inset and provided fitted in standard opening fireplace with fireback does not need any pipes (according to the manufacturer installation instructions). It is a 3.5kw stove and again according to the instructions does not require the chimney to be lined (if it is sound and ours is that has already been checked) There are instructions on back filling and sealing the space behind the stove etc and we will have a carbon monoxide detector fitted in the room. I will try and see if I can find an engineer who will be happy to certify the work (as some have been lucky enough to find).
and the burner is only for occassional use as we have oil central heating and we were only looking to use it for dinner parties and special occassions.

For the record though - no bodge it and scarper here - my brothers' work has already been signed off by BCO when we built the two storey extension to our house!

My initial question was to see if we could have inserted the log burner without the fire back (which isnt in the chimney) as the instructions didn't cover that scenario and in reality this new log burner is little more than a traditional insert fire just with two doors on the front. The insert part is actually only 6" deep.

 

[masona]

My initial question was to see if we could have inserted the log burner without the fire back (which isnt in the chimney) as the instructions didn't cover that scenario and in reality this new log burner is little more than a traditional insert fire just with two doors on the front. The insert part is actually only 6" deep.

Best to give the manufacturer a call for what is acceptable for your stove, there was a query with the back of my stove recommended distance to the wall and they told me I can have a less distance if I use a cast iron fireback resting on the fireback boots which protect the back wall as its reflect the heat back into the room.

 

[Tibbot]

I will try and see if I can find an engineer who will be happy to certify the work (as some have been lucky enough to find).

No engineer is in a position to certify your work, willing or not. It's a SELF Certification scheme that they belong to.

There is no such thing as a competency scheme to certify the work of others.

You can only go to LABC.

 

[masona]

I will try and see if I can find an engineer who will be happy to certify the work (as some have been lucky enough to find).

No engineer is in a position to certify your work, willing or not. It's a SELF Certification scheme that they belong to.

There is no such thing as a competency scheme to certify the work of others.

You can only go to LABC.

I must've been lucky, unless not much work about?

 

[Tibbot]

I must've been lucky, unless not much work about?

Either that or your competent person has unwittingly given you as good as a bent certificate. However no-one at your LABC will ever know now.

 

[masona]

No, he's Hetas registered installer and it was my local BCO suggested this because I didn't want to wait for over 8wks for BCO to sign it off but did say "If you can find Hetas guy to sign all the paperwork and the data plate then we will accept that although this might be very difficult to do" I will never ever accept any bent certificate whatsoever as I take this very seriously specially with carbon monoxide.

 

[Tibbot]

No, he's Hetas registered installer and it was my local BCO suggested this because I didn't want to wait for over 8wks for BCO to sign it off but did say "If you can find Hetas guy to sign all the paperwork and the data plate then we will accept that although this might be very difficult to do" I will never ever accept any bent certificate whatsoever as I take this very seriously specially with carbon monoxide.

Then I suggest your BCO doesn't know how self certification schemes are supposed to work. Then again I don't know any that do.

 

[Space cat]

You'll find everything there from diy home bodging, making a stove out of a calor gas cylinder to building a nuclear reactor designed on the back of a fag packet.

Funny you should say that. Over the years that I've been on this forum I've begun to think that it's lost sight of its original purpose. Of course it's sometimes necessary to tell somebody that they simply aren't capable of doing a job but, more and more often, the advice seems to be a blunt "DON'T".

First, questions about gas were banished. Then, with the arrival of the abominable Part P, the same 'leave it alone' attitude crept into the electrics forum. I hesitate to post advice these days in case somebody rams 'elf'n'safety' down my throat. How long will it be before DIYers are actively discouraged from going up ladders in case they fall off - or, worse, drop something on a passer-by.

Meanwhile, to get back to where I started: Back here:

http://www.diynot.com/forums/electr...ician-no-sir-not-at-all.293959/page-5#2147438

I posted a not entirely facetious design for a DIY linear accelerator with only a passing reference to the dangers of X-rays and the even more insidious neutrons. Now you obviously wouldn't use baked bean tins. You'd want your accelerating electrodes wrapped tightly around the tube - and some focussing coils would help too. (With a bit of ingenuity they can be combined. )

But what you'll also need - and which I completely failed to mention - is permission from the NII. The funny thing is that nobody has pulled me up for it.