How to use 'deadly force - and get away with it.

SPLINE said:
Illegal immigration is a national emergency here and in the US.
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Barack Obama (2009–2017)~3 million2012 (407,000–419,000)
Joe Biden (2021–2025)~2.6 million2024 (~778,000)
Donald Trump (Term 1: 2017–2021)~1.5 million2019 (267,000–348,000)
Donald Trump (Term 2: Jan–Nov 2025)290,603N/A
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That table is incomprehensible boyo. There are tens of millions of illegals in the states, Trump is stopping it. In Biden's stolen presidency one of the first things he did was to pardon loads of them, out of spite for Trump. How much did that cost the American taxpayer?
 
SPLINE said:
How much did that cost the American taxpayer?
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Nothing. In the US, it is much clearer than here, that illegal immigrants are an economic benefit overall. It is a very different situation. This whole issue has been manufactured by Trump for political purposes.
 
noseall said:
I'm not spinning. ICE persecute the innocent as well as those that may have committed a crime. That is a fact. Assuming some may have broken a law is not justification for the fascist tactics.
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BUT. WE. ARE. ONLY. TALKING. ABOUT. ILLEGAL. IMMIGRANTS. What are you having trouble understanding?
 
MNW67 said:
They are all technically criminals in the same way that anyone who has ever driven one mile per hour over the speed limit is technically a criminal.
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Correct. And if the question was "What percentage of those that exceed the speed limit are criminals", my answer to that would also be 100%. Only that wasn't the question, was it?
 
Mottie said:
Correct. And if the question was "What percentage of those that exceed the speed limit are criminals", my answer to that would also be 100%. Only that wasn't the question, was it?
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It was to emphasise the silliness of the question. There is a serious discussion to be had about how much crime illegal immigrants commit within the country. The crimes people care about like violent crimes, property crime etc. And if that gets distorted by some pedant saying, well 100% of them are criminals, then it makes that important discussion impossible.
 
Mottie said:
BUT. WE. ARE. ONLY. TALKING. ABOUT. ILLEGAL. IMMIGRANTS. What are you having trouble understanding?
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Oh thank god for that. I thought ICE had picked a fight with an observer and shot him to death. I'm so glad to hear that didn't happen.
 
IT Minion said:
Oh thank god for that. I thought ICE had picked a fight with an observer and shot him to death. I'm so glad to hear that didn't happen.
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More spin/ignorance. I was effectively asked what percentage of ILLEGAL immigrants were criminals. My answer was 100%. It couldn’t be anything else. Why is everyone trying to swerve away from my answer by throwing in different scenarios, none of which are in any way related to the question or answer?

If you don't like the answer, don’t pose the question.
 
Mottie said:
More spin/ignorance. I was effectively asked what percentage of ILLEGAL immigrants were criminals. My answer was 100%. It couldn’t be anything else. Why is everyone trying to swerve away from my answer by throwing in different scenarios, none of which are in any way related to the question or answer?

If you don't like the answer, don’t pose the question.
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I didn't pose a question you prat.

I'm just taking the **** out of your dedication to focusing on only ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS and ignoring everything else that ICE does because the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS obviously deserve it in your eyes.
 
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