I got the job with british gas

[namsag]

Agile ...Showing your lack of basic maths again an 8 hour day is 480 minute ... Eleven services a day at 35 mins is 385mins leaving roughly 1 hour 40 mins travelling . This is not allowing for double/triple jobs in the same house . And as i have previously said job are planned by post code and are within doors of each other...

If you are that slow and incapabile of doing a back boiler in less than 75 minutes i would put that down to your poor training and lack of knowledge but this has nothing to do with BG it is something you will have to addresss personally. .

Seeing as you want to discuss things when did you first sit your Acs and when did you resit it, and if you done ACOPS when did you do this, jut out of interest seeing as you love to discuss corgi.

And bearing in mind Agile i drink with one corgi inspector a couple of night a week and play golf with another every second week . Truth is of the essence here as they have access to the data base of peoples qualifications and dates.

Dare you to be honest

 

[ollski]

Agile i doubt anyone purely on servicing would find it difficult to hit targets.

I seem to recall people saying that they have to do 11 services in an 8 hour day to meet the target!

A proper service including opening the combustion chamber must take at least 35 min and then there is travelling between sites.

A BBU takes anyone doing it properly 1.25 hours but I met someone working for a contractor for a council who was given just 22 minutes including a CP12.

I did not think much of the canteen at Leeds!

Tony

On the old targets bg guys got 0.9 of an hour for an annual check, 1.1 hours for a breakdown and 3.5 for a long duration job. I would say for virtually all baxi bbus can be done in 40 minutes or so but it depends what you work on mainly, practice makes perfect.

 

[Dan Robinson]

they have access to the data base of peoples qualifications and dates

And it would be illegal for you to know any of that information for any reason whatsoever.

 

[namsag]

Dan it would not be illegal for me to know this . It could be illegal for someone to tell me though, it all depends how they obtain that information

 

[corgiman]

Well done mate

Dont work too hard or take too much sh1t

 

[nickso]

Agile i doubt anyone purely on servicing would find it difficult to hit targets.

I seem to recall people saying that they have to do 11 services in an 8 hour day to meet the target!

A proper service including opening the combustion chamber must take at least 35 min and then there is travelling between sites.

A BBU takes anyone doing it properly 1.25 hours but I met someone working for a contractor for a council who was given just 22 minutes including a CP12.

I did not think much of the canteen at Leeds!

Tony

i hate this going off topic as usual but again tony is talking from hearsay.

in an 8 hour day an engineer would need to complete 9 services if that was all he was doing. 0.91x9=8.19/8=102% for his day.

it is actually reasonably difficult to meet that target day after day and you have to hope to sell at least a few COD's a week to have a good chance of a 1 at the end of the week. as namsag said you will get a mix of jobs as a technician and i prefer it that way. its easier to make performance with repairs in my opinion.

opening a combustion box on most appliances takes all of a few seconds so i dont really see why that has any impact on a "proper" service. perhaps you could explain tony?

1.25 hours for a bbu? perhaps when you are an apprentice tony but i can strip one down and back up in 55mins for a dirty one. that still leaves plenty of time to walk the system. i have to admit however if you had to service bbu's all day then you would never make performance. its simply not possible if its done properly.

the canteen at leeds was poor last time i was there.

 

[Agile]

Opening a combustion box on most appliances takes all of a few seconds so i dont really see why that has any impact on a "proper" service. perhaps you could explain tony?

1.25 hours for a bbu? perhaps when you are an apprentice tony but i can strip one down and back up in 55mins for a dirty one. that still leaves plenty of time to walk the system.

I cannot say anything about BG "services" except that most do not involve opening the CC in London. However, I always open the CC. I also run the heating and check the EV and bleed the rads if necessary. A ckient yesterday told me BG never did that.

I agree that one can deal with the boiler part of a BBU within an hour. But then there is the firefront! Then the tightness test! Then running the system and checking the controls and bleeding the rads. Writing an invoice and getting paid alone takes at least five minutes!

Tony

 

[nickso]

Opening a combustion box on most appliances takes all of a few seconds so i dont really see why that has any impact on a "proper" service. perhaps you could explain tony?

1.25 hours for a bbu? perhaps when you are an apprentice tony but i can strip one down and back up in 55mins for a dirty one. that still leaves plenty of time to walk the system.

I cannot say anything about BG "services" except that most do not involve opening the CC in London. However, I always open the CC. I also run the heating and check the EV and bleed the rads if necessary. A ckient yesterday told me BG never did that.

I agree that one can deal with the boiler part of a BBU within an hour. But then there is the firefront! Then the tightness test! Then running the system and checking the controls and bleeding the rads. Writing an invoice and getting paid alone takes at least five minutes!

Tony

whether or not they do it is not the issue. they should. you still havent told me why it takes a significantly longer time to service the boiler if you have to open the combustion case. what do you do to it when you have opened it?

i do the entire bbu and fire in 55 minutes tony. what on earth do you do to the fire that takes 25 minutes? assuming you manage the bbu in an hour

tightness test? what for?

you already have the heating on to do your tests on the boiler so maybe another 5 mins for walking the system assuming the customer has no issues.

 

[Agile]

whether or not they do it is not the issue. they should. you still havent told me why it takes a significantly longer time to service the boiler if you have to open the combustion case. what do you do to it when you have opened it?

i do the entire bbu and fire in 55 minutes tony. what on earth do you do to the fire that takes 25 minutes? assuming you manage the bbu in an hour

tightness test? what for?

You open/close gas connections taking off the fire so a tightness test is essential.

If I do the BBU unit in 55 min then I only have 20 min left to do the fire ( 10 min ) check the rads and write invoice and get paid.

In my terminology servicing the boiler MUST include opening the combustion chamber on non condensing boilers. When I open it I remove the firebox front to inspect/clean the HE and burners and inspect fan, aps, venturi and water connections.

Tony

 

[nickso]

whether or not they do it is not the issue. they should. you still havent told me why it takes a significantly longer time to service the boiler if you have to open the combustion case. what do you do to it when you have opened it?

i do the entire bbu and fire in 55 minutes tony. what on earth do you do to the fire that takes 25 minutes? assuming you manage the bbu in an hour

tightness test? what for?

You open/close gas connections taking off the fire so a tightness test is essential.

If I do the BBU unit in 55 min then I only have 20 min left to do the fire ( 10 min ) check the rads and write invoice and get paid.

In my terminology servicing the boiler MUST include opening the combustion chamber on non condensing boilers. When I open it I remove the firebox front to inspect/clean the HE and burners and inspect fan, aps, venturi and water connections.

Tony

the unions you remove are after the isolation valve,have you heard of soapy?

what takes 20 mins to do on a fire?

fair enough, all valid reasons for opening the combustion box. with the possible exception of cleaning the h/e and burners, i still dont see how this takes a great deal of time to do.

 

[Agile]

"""what takes 20 mins to do on a fire? """

I only mentioned 10 minutes!

After removing a firefront, which involves turning off the gas cock, then I would suggest a proper tightness test is the best way to do the necessary test as it confirms that the whole installation is sound.

If a soap test is all that you do then how do you know that the gas valve is not letting by when the pilot is off?

I appreciate that BG may only do limited tests but as an independent I am able to do work slowly and carefully, without time constraints, and carry out the most useful safety tests from the clients point of view.

Tony

 

[corgiman]

boys boys

calm down its only a forum

 

[nickso]

"""what takes 20 mins to do on a fire? """

I only mentioned 10 minutes!

I only have 20 min left to do the fire

really? there seems to be a 2 in front of that 0. i see now that the 10 min in brackets was supposed to be the fire servicing time. for a man who works slowly and carefully without time constraints you dont seem to be very accurate.

After removing a firefront, which involves turning off the gas cock, then I would suggest a proper tightness test is the best way to do the necessary test as it confirms that the whole installation is sound.

so you admit then that as its your "suggestion" there is no actual need to do a tightness test?

If a soap test is all that you do then how do you know that the gas valve is not letting by when the pilot is off?

hmm, interesting. presumably you do a tightness test on all appliances then do you? if not how can you be sure that all appliances are not passing? wouldnt you simply do an fsd test like everyone else?

i appreciate that BG may only do limited tests but as an independent I am able to do work slowly and carefully, without time constraints, and carry out the most useful safety tests from the clients point of view.

that is possibly the biggest piece of BG baiting i have ever seen from you tony. shameful.

you havent got the first clue about BG work and still insist on mouthing off about it. you have got no more or less time than a BG engineer can make for himself if he chooses to do so. in most cases he doesnt need to because some of the tests you do are completely unnecessary.

a BG engineer is equipped to do all the tests necessary and most of them probably do. some may choose not to. thats their choice. not BG's.

an independant engineer is equipped to do all the tests necessary and most of them probably do. some may choose not to. thats their choice. no one elses.

there is a certain similarity there tony.

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[nickso]

boys boys

calm down its only a forum

im perfectly calm as i always am when dealing with tony's remarks.

 

[namsag]

Agile . Simple thing as a boiler service and it appears you don`t know the proper procedure for checking a gas valve is passing or that ffd is shutting off pilot gas in the correct time. Instead of spending time having a pop at BG i suggest your time would be better spent finding out how to do a service properly then your customers will benefit.