Is it any wonder kids minds are fecked?

[Notch7]

The term "assigned sex" is a label used by some medical professionals, but I can see that it just confuses things. Surely it should be "assigned gender"? If a transgender person has the correct sex written on their birth certificate, but considers themselves to be of the opposite gender, that does not mean they are the wrong sex. This is why the term "assigned sex" makes no sense to me.

I agree it is confusing.

I think the term biological sex is the clearest as that covers physical organs and chromosomes.

Or to illustrate my above post more concisely.

"Transgender people consider themselves to be a different gender to their assigned actual sex"

I'm not attacking you @Notch7

It just seemed a neat way to sum up all the confusing terminology.

I would use the term biological sex rather than actual sex

 

[Notch7]

If you have a penis, you're a man. If you can't park a car properly, you're a woman.

To be honest my wife parks her car better than I do.

Alloys on my car are badly scarred, hers aren’t.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

I would like to check I am following it.

Using the example above:

If Nigel cross dresses, is he what we used to call a transvestite?

And if Natasha cross dresses, is she an autogynephilic transsexual?

Lol... that is some mental gymnastics right there.

Nigel and Natasha are the same person. A biological male whose last sexual orientation is thought to be heterosexual and who cross dresses but is Transam's mate so respectfully i'm not going to discuss him here.

Traditionally, a trans-sexual was/is the term used to describe someone who has had body parts cut off, sewn on or grown some.

Traditionally, a transvestite was/is the name used to describe someone who cross dresses.

A trans-gender person is the name used to describe someone who may cross dress or think of themselves as a different sex but may not change anything about themselves at all. Literally nothing. Hence the article upthread about the supposed 'gay man' who thought all lgbtq people could go into any toilet they fancy and was caught filming women in the toilets. Stonewall broadened the terms/meanings.

Those who refer to themselves as trans sexuals, transvestites and transgender can be heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual.

Autogynephilia is the sexual paraphilia (fetish) almost exclusively thought to affect heterosexual males who get off sexually on cross dressing and being referred to as female and more. There is a good expanatory video about this from Genspect.

 

[MNW67]

I agree it is confusing.

I think the term biological sex is the clearest as that covers physical organs and chromosomes.

I would use the term biological sex rather than actual sex

I agree with that. What I hadn't realised is that there is a massive battle on the webosphere for control of the language and narrative. The pro trans side really don't like the term "biological sex".

 

[Deleted member 265726]

I agree with that. What I hadn't realised is that there is a massive battle on the webosphere for control of the language and narrative. The pro trans side really don't like the term "biological sex".

Yeah because reality hurts their narrative. It is mostly trans activists who have a problem with it.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

Just changing the subject for a moment, the site is still being spammed like it was last night. I'm gonna log off and come back another time.

 

[Notch7]

Just changing the subject for a moment, the site is still being spammed like it was last night. I'm gonna log off and come back another time.

When you do, you can answer this, so you can be honest about what you actually believe:



Do you believe they are suffering mental illness because they are transgender?

Or

Do you believe their mental illness is causing them to believe they are transgender?

 

[transam]

Lol... that is some mental gymnastics right there.

Nigel and Natasha are the same person. A biological male whose last sexual orientation is thought to be heterosexual and who cross dresses but is Transam's mate so respectfully i'm not going to discuss him here.

Traditionally, a trans-sexual was/is the term used to describe someone who has had body parts cut off, sewn on or grown some.

Traditionally, a transvestite was/is the name used to describe someone who cross dresses.

A trans-gender person is the name used to describe someone who may cross dress or think of themselves as a different sex but may not change anything about themselves at all. Literally nothing. Hence the article upthread about the supposed 'gay man' who thought all lgbtq people could go into any toilet they fancy and was caught filming women in the toilets. Stonewall broadened the terms/meanings.

Those who refer to themselves as trans sexuals, transvestites and transgender can be heterosexual, homosexual or bisexual.

Autogynephilia is the sexual paraphilia (fetish) almost exclusively thought to affect heterosexual males who get off sexually on cross dressing and being referred to as female and more. There is a good expanatory video about this from Genspect.

I would not say he was a mate as such so you can say what you like

As a building inspector going on sites ?? I bet that’s a laugh ??

 

[MNW67]

Yeah because reality hurts their narrative. It is mostly trans activists who have a problem with it.

What also struck me was that it seemed there was a subtle but deliberate attempt to sow confusion between those tiny, tiny number of people with a DSD or whose sex was wrongly determined, and the wider issue of people who are transgender. One comment said something like "It's sweet that you think everyone who is born XY has an outie"

 

[Deleted member 265726]

What also struck me was that it seemed there was a subtle but deliberate attempt to sow confusion between those tiny, tiny number of people with a DSD or whose sex was wrongly determined, and the wider issue of people who are transgender. One comment said something like "It's sweet that you think everyone who is XY has an outie"

'Assigned sex' only really relates to those with DSDs who did have the wrong biological sex determined by those in the delivery room at the time. Sometimes, those with a DSD only realise they have one as they hit puberty or near enough.
Transgender is a broad term which can now pretty much be used by anyone.

 

[MNW67]

'Assigned sex' only really relates to those with DSDs who did have the wrong biological sex determined by those in the delivery room at the time. Sometimes, those with a DSD only realise they have one as they hit puberty or near enough.
Transgender is a broad term which can now pretty much be used by anyone.

I have always been very much in line with J K Rowling on this issue (even though I think she is a terrible writer). What I cannot stand though is the cruel mocking and the hatred. That was the point I was trying to make at the start of the thread. It wasn't aimed at you. But I believe that powerful, intelligent people like politicians and high profile comedians shouldn't be scoring cheap points against people who may be in great distress. It reminds me of the infamous Eddie Murphy routine about gay men in the 1980s.

 

[Deleted member 265726]

I have always been very much in line with J K Rowling on this issue (even though I think she is a terrible writer). What I cannot stand though is the cruel mocking and the hatred. That was the point I was trying to make at the start of the thread. It wasn't aimed at you. But I believe that powerful, intelligent people like politicians and high profile comedians shouldn't be scoring cheap points against people who may be in great distress. It reminds me of the infamous Eddie Murphy routine about gay men in the 1980s.

The way I see it is because the term 'transgender' has been broadened so much to cover anybody it is meaningless. Does that mean there aren't people out there legitimately struggling with a lot of different issues? No it doesn't. Some of those people want to identify out of these issues, for example some know they are gay but don't want to be, so they'll identify as the opposite sex because it helps to relieve the dysphoria and internalised homophobia. There are a myriad of different reasons why people want to identify as transgender but few of them are legitimately about believing they can actually be the opposite sex.

 

[MNW67]

The way I see it is because the term 'transgender' has been broadened so much to cover anybody it is meaningless. Does that mean there aren't people out there legitimately struggling with a lot of different issues? No it doesn't. Some of those people want to identify out of these issues, for example some know they are gay but don't want to be, so they'll identify as the opposite sex because it helps to relieve the dysphoria and internalised homophobia. There are a myriad of different reasons why people want to identify as transgender but few of them are legitimately about believing they can actually be the opposite sex.

What might some of those myriad reasons be?

 

[Deleted member 265726]

What might some of those myriad reasons be?

Listed in a previous post upthread. There is probably more but I'm not an activist for either side. Genspect talks about all of this where they advocate for the non medical approach to helping those with gender related distress.

 

[MNW67]

Listed in a previous post upthread. There is probably more but I'm not an activist for either side. Genspect talks about all of this where they advocate for the non medical approach to helping those with gender related distress.

I have just been reading that in young people it is almost always girls. That is not what I was expecting.