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They were cremated. Takes about 2-3 hours in a modern day crematoria. Doing one at a time in those German ovens must have taken an age.
What about surviving German written records. There are thousands that can be looked up quite easily and they are copies of the original documents so can't be explained away easily. Many refer to crematoria ovens and improving efficiency and throughput. Dozens refer to needing more ovens urgently. One I saw said that capacity was 1850 corpses per day and this was not sufficient and more ovens are needed urgently. Many refer to research on ovens and how to improve them. Many are giving feedback on new ovens and increased efficiency. One refers to ordering a new 'ball mill' for "special substances" at Chelmno. Dozens list 'special' construction projects. Dozens refer to orders for new 'gas doors' and various other equipment. One interesting one refers to the labour force at Auschwitz; 870 stokers and 30 wood loaders for the crematoria. And that's despite the fact that you claim no smoke was ever seen coming from the ovens! What were those stokers up to do you think? There are thousands more records, some recovered from filing cabinets and some intercepted. Apart from memos, letters and reports there are a number of officer diaries. These clearly refer to extermination - the Auschwitz doctor himself refers to the camp as "the Auschwitz camp of extermination". Plus there are literally thousands of photographs of piles of corpses and mass burial pits.

What's the conspiracy line on those documents?
Why would they need 800 stokers for one body at a time?

This Auschwitz report in October 1941 says that 60 men can be cremated in one hour.

http://s3.photobucket.com/user/Rodoh_Hans/media/Erlaeuterungs.jpg.html

The Topf engineer that developed and built the ovens said in a letter that "the number of muffles [37 with a capacity of 1850 corpses per day] is not yet sufficient; we should deliver more ovens as quick as possible".

Again these aren't accounts given after the event they are contemporary letters and correspondence from people involved at the time. Why would they have even mentioned such things if it wasn't what they saw, witnessed or knew of.

Anything on these yet Joe?

Why 800 stokers?
Why did they need more efficient ovens?
Why did they need ball mills?
Why did Topf say 1850 corpses a day?
 
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Unless someone can show me proof that is at least reasonably believable. I used to believe it all until the internet came along. The jews own the media - but they don't own the Internet - and the lid has blown right off their cosy controlled propaganda machine.
Do you believe that in India they dispose of 7 million corpses every year by means of funeral pyres etc?
Yes or no?
India is a huge country with a vast population a single cremation takes on average 500 to 600 kg's of wood and requires the input of up to 10 people to gather wood and set the pyre ect, the body takes 6 hours to be fully cremated that means that up to 70 million people and 60 million trees are required to cremate 7 million people , in a country the size of India that is no problem as the cremations are dispersed among the whole population.
A fairer comparison would be to use the guidelines issued for the disposel of animal carcasses by the government during the foot and mouth outbreak in 2001, you will see that mass cremation is not as straight forward as you think, if you compare the so called eye witness testimonies in camps like Treblinka as to how mass cremations were carried out you will see that when compared to how mass cremation actually works the eye witness's claims just don't stand up.
 
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They were cremated. Takes about 2-3 hours in a modern day crematoria. Doing one at a time in those German ovens must have taken an age.
What about surviving German written records. There are thousands that can be looked up quite easily and they are copies of the original documents so can't be explained away easily. Many refer to crematoria ovens and improving efficiency and throughput. Dozens refer to needing more ovens urgently. One I saw said that capacity was 1850 corpses per day and this was not sufficient and more ovens are needed urgently. Many refer to research on ovens and how to improve them. Many are giving feedback on new ovens and increased efficiency. One refers to ordering a new 'ball mill' for "special substances" at Chelmno. Dozens list 'special' construction projects. Dozens refer to orders for new 'gas doors' and various other equipment. One interesting one refers to the labour force at Auschwitz; 870 stokers and 30 wood loaders for the crematoria. And that's despite the fact that you claim no smoke was ever seen coming from the ovens! What were those stokers up to do you think? There are thousands more records, some recovered from filing cabinets and some intercepted. Apart from memos, letters and reports there are a number of officer diaries. These clearly refer to extermination - the Auschwitz doctor himself refers to the camp as "the Auschwitz camp of extermination". Plus there are literally thousands of photographs of piles of corpses and mass burial pits.

What's the conspiracy line on those documents?
Why would they need 800 stokers for one body at a time?

This Auschwitz report in October 1941 says that 60 men can be cremated in one hour.

http://s3.photobucket.com/user/Rodoh_Hans/media/Erlaeuterungs.jpg.html

The Topf engineer that developed and built the ovens said in a letter that "the number of muffles [37 with a capacity of 1850 corpses per day] is not yet sufficient; we should deliver more ovens as quick as possible".

Again these aren't accounts given after the event they are contemporary letters and correspondence from people involved at the time. Why would they have even mentioned such things if it wasn't what they saw, witnessed or knew of.

Anything on these yet Joe?

Why 800 stokers?
Why did they need more efficient ovens?
Why did they need ball mills?
Why did Topf say 1850 corpses a day?
If the Germans planned to kill millions of people why would they build crematoria that could only cremate 1 person at a time, Germany like other countries had large industrial incinerators for the disposel of animal waste which could handle tons at a time so why would they just build more single use crematoria.
 
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Yes. 800,000 Polish Jews were supposedly gassed at Treblinka - but they've lost the bodies and no-one saw it happen. Neither do they show up on reconnaissance photos or recent aerial radar maps. Odd that eh? Disappeared without a trace.
Do you dispute ALL the death figures during WWII?

2.7 - 2.9 million Polish Jews died during WWII. How do you refute this claim?

They were transfered to different trains at Treblinka (Transit camp). Then they went to Israel after the war - that gift they got because of the holocaust.
Treblinka was allegedly designed built as a pure extermination camp to kill almost 1 million people yet the dopey Nazi's forgot to build any crematoria to dispose of the evidence :rolleyes: the other explanation for the absence of crematoria is that Treblinka was built as a Transit station where people could get their clothes deloused and have a shower before moving on into the Russian interior, which explanation sounds most plausible.
 
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[You are posting rubbish mate, the so called study you are referring to was in response to the Fred leuchter revelations that showed no trace of cyanide in the so called gas the chamber, the Auschwitz museum(the same people who put the "4million people died here" sign on the gate of Auschwitz called in the institute you are referring to, to carry out a damage limitation exercise, unfortunately their findings confirmed Fred Leuchters so they never released them to the public.
No historian or scholar has used said plaque as a historical reference, so why the focus on it?

In public the Auschwitz museum said Leuchter was a crank and didn't have a clue, it wasn't until some mischief maker released the report of the institute onto the internet that they called the "experts" called back for another investigation this time they came up with the correct result.
A lot of people are mislead into believing that Fred Leuchter analysed the samples he took from Auschitz himself, in fact they were analysed in a commercial forensic lab in America by a DR Roth (who happened to be Jewish) he backtracked from his own findings when he found out what they were being used for.
Like I said, his whole approach was unscientific. It is little surpise he didn't find anything.
The reason I focused on it is because the so called Historians you are referring to use these people as sources for their books.
 
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and 60 million trees are required to cremate 7 million people , in a country the size of India that is no problem as the cremations are dispersed among the whole population.
So, in a backwards country that is smaller than Europe they manage this incredible feat. Astonishing.

Piece of cake for the Germans then with most of Europe at their disposal.
 
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and 60 million trees are required to cremate 7 million people , in a country the size of India that is no problem as the cremations are dispersed among the whole population.
So, in a backwards country that is smaller than Europe they manage this incredible feat. Astonishing.

Piece of cake for the Germans then with most of Europe at their disposal.


They'd have p####d the war then, if they weren't gathering so much wood.........
 
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and 60 million trees are required to cremate 7 million people , in a country the size of India that is no problem as the cremations are dispersed among the whole population.
So, in a backwards country that is smaller than Europe they manage this incredible feat. Astonishing.

Piece of cake for the Germans then with most of Europe at their disposal.

Hindus in this country aren't cremated on pyres, and I would imagine that in a very poor country very few would be cremated on pyres in India. Why do you think 7 million are? Can you give us a link?
 
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Anything on these yet Joe?

Why 800 stokers?
Why did they need more efficient ovens?
Why did they need ball mills?
Why did Topf say 1850 corpses a day?

I can't see Joe's reply. Can someone point it out to me, please?
 
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Vinty already replied. Why would a major industrial nation build crematoria that cremated one body at a time when they could build a blast furnace?

BTW, the order form for coke and zyklon B are also available to Auschwitz - They didn't order any more than the non - death camps did per head of population.

So JohnD - why didn't they build blast furnaces and work on an industrial scale?

Why didn't they use conveyor belts to take the dead bodies (all blue with gas) to the crematoria?

Why did they use Zyclon B when they'd recently invented Sarin and Tabun? Why didn't they use it on the Jews to see how well it worked?

It's pretty obvious really. Zyclon B was used as a delousing agent because it worked well for that purpose.

Sarin didn't work on lice - but just one whiff kills a human.

Answers please John.
 
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Blast furnace?

These take time to start up and shut down and require a lot of input. This start up and shut down would have been needed on a regular basis.

Not an efficient disposal process for human bodies.
 
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With 11 million bodies to burn - which day do you see them shutting down? :rolleyes:
 
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