In recent time two young women were jailed for 21 months and 3 years for texting prior to killing someone when driving how the hell can 12 weeks be right.
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In recent time two young women were jailed for 21 months and 3 years for texting prior to killing someone when driving how the hell can 12 weeks be right.
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Further, how the hell can 21 months and/or 3 years be right?
I agree, the sentences were not long enough for the "Girls" but by comparison, far more severe than Lord Ahmed's for what amounts to same offense.
I wonder what the justice minister thinks of the sentence. Will our man of straw ask for it to looked at by the courts of appeal
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namsag
But if he was not doing anything at the time why should he be punished.
Do we know the exact circumstances . Dark motorway car possibly sidewards on so no lights to warn on coming traffic.
He was ten mile under the limit so not speeding and how many people would expect a car to be stopped in the outside lane.
Do we know the exact circumstances . Dark motorway car possibly sidewards on so no lights to warn on coming traffic.
He was ten mile under the limit so not speeding and how many people would expect a car to be stopped in the outside lane.
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Tend to agree with you namsag - its difficult to comment without knowing all the facts but something seems a little odd with the circumstances - its was Christmas Day and was either morning or night as it was dark - why was he in the outside lane doing 60mph? I wouldn't expect that much traffic on the M1 at that time on Christmas day? I don't think i've ever done as low as 60mph in the outside lane unless in heavy traffic. If the Audi had already been involved in an accident, do we know that he wouldn't have died anyway from his injuries in the first accident? As you say, you wouldn't expect a stationary car in the outside lane so there is no way to say that even if he didn't own a mobile phone, this wouldn't have happened anyway? He's obviously got to be punished if its proved he was texting and driving at the same time but it would seem that this fact has little to do with the accident if he wasn't doing texting at the time?
A similar story with the lorry driver who killed 6 people.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7878605.stm
I saw a girl texting while driving today. I was in a second floor bedroom painting and she drove past the front of the house. Now if she finished texting and then had an accident and killed somebody 10 minutes down the road, what should she be charged with.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7878605.stm
I saw a girl texting while driving today. I was in a second floor bedroom painting and she drove past the front of the house. Now if she finished texting and then had an accident and killed somebody 10 minutes down the road, what should she be charged with.
I have only been driving for 30+ years so I expect cars to be at a standstill on the motorway at anytime of day or night in all weathers. Oh and on any other road come to that. We should be in control of our vehicles at all times, when behind the wheel you cant influence how others drive and need to be ready to react instantly your life and the lives of others depend on it.
Texting while driving may also be acceptable to some but I would find it very difficult to either construct or read a text while driving so don't do it and of course its illegal. I agree it would be difficult to send a text while crashing in all three case above a series of texts were sent and received prior to the crash, these exchanges may well have a continued had they not hit another vehicle.
The Portuguese lorry driver had been using a laptop in the moments before the crash no mention of at the time of.
Texting while driving may also be acceptable to some but I would find it very difficult to either construct or read a text while driving so don't do it and of course its illegal. I agree it would be difficult to send a text while crashing
in all three case above a series of texts were sent and received prior to the crash, these exchanges may well have a continued had they not hit another vehicle.The Portuguese lorry driver had been using a laptop in the moments before the crash no mention of at the time of.
Texting while driving is not acceptable (not to me anyway) you may as well be knitting. Your mind is not on the road or what else is happening.
The problem when prosecuting a potential texter after the event is proof.
Unless someone saw the driver texting and have an accident at the same time how do you prove it.
If a driver had been texting and then had an accident how can the prosecution join the two things together. Impossible without hard evidence.
The problem when prosecuting a potential texter after the event is proof.
Unless someone saw the driver texting and have an accident at the same time how do you prove it.
If a driver had been texting and then had an accident how can the prosecution join the two things together. Impossible without hard evidence.
Phone record would correlate with time of accident?
theres no causality linking the use of text and the accident.
clearly it was discovered by investigating officers as a result of the accident, evidence left on the phone and record of times.
the judge himself said that.
while clearly it is an offence, the police would have no evidence supporting a dangerous driving charge, because they didnt catch him doing it.
had they, he would have recieved a much more severe sentence.
clearly it was discovered by investigating officers as a result of the accident, evidence left on the phone and record of times.
the judge himself said that.
while clearly it is an offence, the police would have no evidence supporting a dangerous driving charge, because they didnt catch him doing it.
had they, he would have recieved a much more severe sentence.
He was convicted of dangerous driving by virtue of the fact he pleaded guilty to a charge of "dangerous driving" He could have been charged with death by dangerous driving but wasn't. If you fail to see stationary vehicles or people crossing carriageway ahead of you, you're clearly not paying attention.
It may well have been horrendous for him but what of the victim and his family. Had one of "us" killed someone in a similar manor our arse would be grass.
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namsag
Its good to know. asjton. that in your 30 years of driving you have never opened a can of coke and had a drink, light a fag, unwrapped and ate food or sweets , never fumbled while changing radio station or changing cassettes or CD`s. OR the one they say causes the most accidents , losing the nut with the kids or the wife.
A guy said quite few years ago . Let them without sin cast the first stone.
So put it into prespective things you would do as second nature could also be deemed as creating a danger
A guy said quite few years ago . Let them without sin cast the first stone.
So put it into prespective things you would do as second nature could also be deemed as creating a danger
sorry yes i fully agree, other than the evidence from the phone they couldnt offer any vitnessed evidence of dangerous driving is what i meant.
I tell you what I have done, LOST A FAMILY MEMBER "Paddy" was killed 9 weeks before his eighteenth birthday by someone driving without due care.
I drive expecting everyone else to drive like a complete **** because they usually are. I try not to endanger others but may not drive as well as I could all the time. I don't smoke or use the phone or computer, read a map or play with myself while driving.
You may be playing devils advocate, but I suspect you're defending the indefensible.
So forgive me for thinking your talking bo$$ocks again.
Im deeply sorry for your loss.
you must recognise that you cant equate all similar cases, with you personal tragedy.
this case revolved around two issues.
an offence of dangerous driving, but with no causal link to the second event, which was a strange event Im lead to believe.
however none of that will make you feel any better, anger is a natural reaction.
sorry
you must recognise that you cant equate all similar cases, with you personal tragedy.
this case revolved around two issues.
an offence of dangerous driving, but with no causal link to the second event, which was a strange event Im lead to believe.
however none of that will make you feel any better, anger is a natural reaction.
sorry
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