Kenyan Westgate attack

[Sombrero]

Newboy, lets just recreate a scenario...

On the edge of your village a new estate is being built. And you fancy a house by the stream. So you put in your offer, and in 8 months you move in. And you realise that most of the other houses have bought by the people who believe in magwa.
They're people like you but they believe in a god that needs to be in power over everyone. Most people are sociable and smiley, but of the 40 people on you close 3 families hate you... they really want you to die.... not just hoping that your lawn mower blows up, they want your head to be chopped off... plus they believe that if they kill you, or make you leave, they get free council tax.... and if there was a vote, many of the neighbours would be in support of them I fear.

A very stupid/simple analogy yet it must convey some feeling of the fear of the non believer?

 

[Sombrero]

Well done you managed to hold it together for a few posts before heading off into a rant!

If you want a dictionary equivalent of jihad (Islamic campaign against nonbelievers: a campaign waged by Muslims in defense of the Islamic faith against people, organizations, or countries regarded as hostile to Islam)

try crusade (religiously motivated effort: a war or campaign that is religiously motivated, e.g. one with papal sanction)

For the record I'm not a muslim with a conscience and I am non-political just a normal human being who gets tired of fanatics of all persuasions

Lol, newboy, I'm not in a rant... it's a breath of fresh air having someone to debate with...

 

[Sombrero]

And if I disagree with you I may do it assertively, as you've been back at me...so don't mistake that as a rant !

You qualified this"If you want a dictionary equivalent of jihad (Islamic campaign against nonbelievers: a campaign waged by Muslims in defense of the Islamic faith against people, organizations, or countries regarded as hostile to Islam)

try crusade (religiously motivated effort: a war or campaign that is religiously motivated, e.g. one with papal sanction) "

I really hope you don't see that as a peaceful definition, or perhaps we could fall out...

"capaign against... regarded as hostile to islam"

I, as an atheiest have no campaign... I just want to be left alone, unchanged...

 

[Sombrero]

OK, one last question... If god told muslims to go and kill non-muslims in Kenya... and they got 67 of them.... why did god throw an earthquake and kill 160 odd muslims the day after?

Anyone any thoughts on religious mambo jumbo ******?

 

[joe-90]

The solution is strong Christian country but the submissive atheists are in charge. No wonder we are in a mess. Islam is a religion and a political organisation. Permissive atheism is a leaderless rabble.

Oh God, he's off again. Change the record, Joseph.

Oh, I forgot. You only have the one, don't you. (He won't say.)

The truth is what the truth is. It's YOUR record that's broken.

 

[EddieM]

The solution is strong Christian country but the submissive atheists are in charge. No wonder we are in a mess. Islam is a religion and a political organisation. Permissive atheism is a leaderless rabble.

Oh God, he's off again. Change the record, Joseph.

Oh, I forgot. You only have the one, don't you. (He won't say.)

That's unfair! He's got the peak oil one!!

 

[Whitespirit66]

could it happen here in Britain?

I have no doubt it will one day

No doubt it will...

And I bet the Iraqis were thinking exactly the same thing in february 2003...

Funnily enough, we didn't have to worry too much prior to that...

Is this the same Iraq that invaded Kuwait, or a different Iraq?

 

[ellal]

could it happen here in Britain?

I have no doubt it will one day

No doubt it will...

And I bet the Iraqis were thinking exactly the same thing in february 2003...

Funnily enough, we didn't have to worry too much prior to that...

Is this the same Iraq that invaded Kuwait, or a different Iraq?

Wrong decade and a different issue...

But you might as well say 'is that the same Britain that created the Iraq/Kuwait border dispute' having invaded the region in the first place...

 

[taz123]

But you might as well say 'is that the same Britain that created the Iraq/Kuwait border dispute' having invaded the region in the first place...

In 1899, fearing direct rule from the Ottomans, Sheikh Mubarak Al-Sabahthe lion of the arabic island and the killer of his two brothers entered into a treaty with Britain by which Kuwait became a protectorate. Britain provided naval protection and an annual subsidy in return for allowing London to control its foreign affairs.

Hardly an invasion, more of a business invitation..

Large oil reserves were discovered by the US-British Kuwait Oil Company in 1937. Exploration was delayed by World War II, but thereafter fuelled the country's development into a modern commercial centre.
After Kuwait gained independence from the United Kingdom in 1961, the state's oil industry saw unprecedented economic growth

Hardly left in a bad way.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

could it happen here in Britain?

I have no doubt it will one day

No doubt it will...

And I bet the Iraqis were thinking exactly the same thing in february 2003...

Funnily enough, we didn't have to worry too much prior to that...

Is this the same Iraq that invaded Kuwait, or a different Iraq?

Don't be bad mouthing that lovely saddam and his crew. Lovely lovely nice muslims they were. You racist.

 

[taz123]

could it happen here in Britain?

I have no doubt it will one day

No doubt it will...

And I bet the Iraqis were thinking exactly the same thing in february 2003...

Funnily enough, we didn't have to worry too much prior to that...

Is this the same Iraq that invaded Kuwait, or a different Iraq?

Don't be bad mouthing that lovely saddam and his crew. Lovely lovely nice muslims they were. You racist.

Not the same 'nice' bloke who had a cousin that killed thousands of Kurds?

Chemical Ali was his name.

 

[ellal]

In 1899, fearing direct rule from the Ottomans, Sheikh Mubarak Al-Sabahthe lion of the arabic island and the killer of his two brothers entered into a treaty with Britain by which Kuwait became a protectorate. Britain provided naval protection and an annual subsidy in return for allowing London to control its foreign affairs.

Hardly an invasion, more of a business invitation..

Large oil reserves were discovered by the US-British Kuwait Oil Company in 1937. Exploration was delayed by World War II, but thereafter fuelled the country's development into a modern commercial centre.
After Kuwait gained independence from the United Kingdom in 1961, the state's oil industry saw unprecedented economic growth

Hardly left in a bad way.

So someone has stumbled across a wiki article...

(you conveniently forgot, "This treaty was primarily prompted by fears that the proposed Berlin-Baghdad Railway would lead to an expansion of German influence in the Persian Gulf. ")

Maybe you might care to also read that the majority of the Kuwaiti population were actually of Iraqi Sunni origins...

Possibly why they supported Iraq in the war against Iran...

 

[taz123]

In 1899, fearing direct rule from the Ottomans, Sheikh Mubarak Al-Sabahthe lion of the arabic island and the killer of his two brothers entered into a treaty with Britain by which Kuwait became a protectorate. Britain provided naval protection and an annual subsidy in return for allowing London to control its foreign affairs.

Hardly an invasion, more of a business invitation..

Large oil reserves were discovered by the US-British Kuwait Oil Company in 1937. Exploration was delayed by World War II, but thereafter fuelled the country's development into a modern commercial centre.
After Kuwait gained independence from the United Kingdom in 1961, the state's oil industry saw unprecedented economic growth

Hardly left in a bad way.

So someone has stumbled across a wiki article...

So what is your point?

Isn't that what wiki is for or are you now saying that wiki articles are inadmissible?

We cannot all be as well versed in world history as you.

 

[Deleted member 63160]

In 1899, fearing direct rule from the Ottomans, Sheikh Mubarak Al-Sabahthe lion of the arabic island and the killer of his two brothers entered into a treaty with Britain by which Kuwait became a protectorate. Britain provided naval protection and an annual subsidy in return for allowing London to control its foreign affairs.

Hardly an invasion, more of a business invitation..

Large oil reserves were discovered by the US-British Kuwait Oil Company in 1937. Exploration was delayed by World War II, but thereafter fuelled the country's development into a modern commercial centre.
After Kuwait gained independence from the United Kingdom in 1961, the state's oil industry saw unprecedented economic growth

Hardly left in a bad way.

So someone has stumbled across a wiki article...

So what is your point?

Isn't that what wiki is for or are you now saying that wiki articles are inadmissible?

We cannot all be as well versed in world history as you.

You can't tell the truth about muslims. It's racist.

 

[taz123]

In 1899, fearing direct rule from the Ottomans, Sheikh Mubarak Al-Sabahthe lion of the arabic island and the killer of his two brothers entered into a treaty with Britain by which Kuwait became a protectorate. Britain provided naval protection and an annual subsidy in return for allowing London to control its foreign affairs.

Hardly an invasion, more of a business invitation..

Large oil reserves were discovered by the US-British Kuwait Oil Company in 1937. Exploration was delayed by World War II, but thereafter fuelled the country's development into a modern commercial centre.
After Kuwait gained independence from the United Kingdom in 1961, the state's oil industry saw unprecedented economic growth

Hardly left in a bad way.

So someone has stumbled across a wiki article...

So what is your point?

Isn't that what wiki is for or are you now saying that wiki articles are inadmissible?

We cannot all be as well versed in world history as you.

You can't tell the truth about muslims. It's racist.

That really gets to me(not your comment) as Muslim is not a race but a belief, a religion yet some shout racism......bollix is it.