Knife Crime

[JP_]

How so?

How do you improve parenting? What does that even mean? Youth services and schools step in where parents fail.

Yes, in utopia all parents will be awesome and make fantastic kids and there will be peace and love everywhere. But that is fantasy, a million lightyears from the real world.

 

[transam]

How do you improve parenting? What does that even mean? Youth services and schools step in where parents fail.

Yes, in utopia all parents will be awesome and make fantastic kids and there will be peace and love everywhere. But that is fantasy, a million lightyears from the real world.

We work. In. A couple of schools and the discipline is a disgrace

No respect for teachers who have to put up with this s**t

There should be a video in every class room the parents should get a copy on a weekly basis so. They can see what A holes some of there children are

Then they should be slung out of school and the parents can pay for there kids education and if they cannot pay send the bailiffs in

 

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How about having to get a licence before u can have children

See if u are fit and proper

Can support them. Financially

Ect if u cannot then u cannot have kids

 

[JP_]

Then they should be slung out of school

that is a fast track route to joining a gang - it doesn't solve the problem, it makes it worse.

 

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that is a fast track route to joining a gang - it doesn't solve the problem, it makes it worse.

Not quite what I said

To. Many people in here do selective quoting

Bad behaviour in schools is the norm

Mind u also worked in private Fee paying schools totally different behaviour

Worked in social. Housing kin nightmare tbh

 

[Deleted member 18243]

How about having to get a licence before u can have children

See if u are fit and proper

Can support them. Financially

Ect if u cannot then u cannot have kids

The benefits system is the root of all this evil.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Bigger in America, where they are tough on crime.
Oh damn thats blown your 'stick em in jail solution'

Notch, we are not in America.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

And why do you think that is? Could it be slashing of budgets to allow tax breaks for the rich? Our are you going to suggest they are just not in the mood?

Jonbey you are stuck in the Labour spending v Tory cuts point scoring race. It's not about how many police we have, or how much is spent on them; it is what methods they use. Massive changes have been made, by both main parties, to policing, prisons and the courts over the last 50 years. Many duties have been taken from them and in what remains their powers have been severely restricted. The police now have to be nice to criminals. They are now called the Police Service, where before they were the Police Force. I would prefer the Police Force. The rot started in the 1960s. In the pre-1960s days of low crime, there were far fewer police than there are now.

Policing has failed in this country.

 

[JohnD]

It's not about how many police we have, or how much is spent on them

Perhaps you're right, and cutting police budgets, and cutting 21 thousand experienced officers, didn't do any damage to the police service.

Or perhaps you're wrong, and it did.

Have you written to Prime Minister Johnson telling him he shouldn't reverse some of the cuts made by his predecessor?

 

[Ihavenojob]

Perhaps you're right, and cutting police budgets, and cutting 21 thousand experienced officers, didn't do any damage to the police service.

Or perhaps you're wrong, and it did.

Have you written to Prime Minister Johnson telling him he shouldn't reverse some of the cuts made by his predecessor?

Or perhaps you could offer some solutions and start contributing something original and helpful to this forum.

 

[JP_]

Jonbey you are stuck in the Labour spending v Tory cuts point scoring race. It's not about how many police we have, or how much is spent on them; it is what methods they use. Massive changes have been made, by both main parties, to policing, prisons and the courts over the last 50 years. Many duties have been taken from them and in what remains their powers have been severely restricted. The police now have to be nice to criminals. They are now called the Police Service, where before they were the Police Force. I would prefer the Police Force. The rot started in the 1960s. In the pre-1960s days of low crime, there were far fewer police than there are now.

Policing has failed in this country.

Not at all, I have no interest in "political point scoring" - regardless of the government, they need to invest in the services that reduce crime. And it is much more than policing - youth services, rehabilitation in prisons, probation services, all these have been cut. Before community police officers would work with schools and youth services and know the names of the kids that were heading for trouble and people would intervene before gangs could draw them in. And when somebody was prosecuted for a petty crime, support was there to get them away from a life of crime. But our society has taken a big step backwards and that mistake is now evident through rising crime rates.

Some reading:
https://news.sky.com/story/rising-k...n-council-funding-for-youth-services-11713452

Some quotes:
"A study by the All-Party Parliamentary Group (APPG) suggested the average council had reduced spending on youth services - which funds things such as youth clubs and youth workers - by 40% between the years 2014-15 and 2017-18."

"Two local authorities, the City of Wolverhampton and the City of Westminster, saw cuts of 91% over the same three years."

"The government needs to work with local authorities to ensure they have enough funding to run vital services and restore children's sense of hope."

I don't care which party is in power, so long as they are funding our services properly. When people say "Policing has failed in this country" that really worries me - people are blaming the service providers, and often blaming the wrong ones, for rising crime, rather than blaming the fact that we as a country have decided not to fund the services that are proven to reduce crime.

 

[JohnD]

Or perhaps you could offer some solutions and start contributing something original and helpful to this forum.

Watching with interest to see if hatejob ever tries doing that.

 

[JP_]

Not quite what I said

So what did you mean by:

There should be a video in every class room the parents should get a copy on a weekly basis so. They can see what A holes some of there children are
Then they should be slung out of school and the parents can pay for there kids education and if they cannot pay send the bailiffs in

Because it sounds a lot like you are saying to exclude the very children that are most likely to turn their back on education and turn to a life of crime.

I think it would be a safe to say that in 99% of these situations the parents will not have the money to pay for the education, and the idea of bailiffs forcing parents to pay for an education is very worrying, especially that most won't have any money for them to take. This would result in payments not being made and parents becoming criminals for not sending their children to private school - not exactly the society we all want to live in.

Excluding children will result in them finding something else to do to make a living - gangs leap on the opportunity to help these children.

Some more reading:

"A study commissioned by the Home Office has reportedly found that many children targeted by drug gangs were recruited after they were excluded from school and sent to PRUs. PRUs are to be labelled as a “fertile ground” for gang recruitment in the report, due to be published this week." - 01/10/2018 - note, to Conservative government home office carried out this study, not labour!

read it all: https://www.theschoolbus.net/news/p...-lines-drug-gangs-target-excluded-pupils/6297

This is not the only study that links exclusion from education and crime.

 

[JohnD]

The purpose of school exclusion is not to help the child.

Nor to help the parents

Nor to help society

 

[JP_]

Yep - a political decision to force children to stay in school until 18 rather than provide jobs for them. That way, when the kids don't fit the extended education system, they get disruptive and excluded. This means the unemployment rate stays "good" for as long as possible, then the kids with no prospects cannot even sign on for benefits as they are still officially in education.

At 16 some kids are better off starting an apprenticeship and doing simple work where they can start earning money for themselves and learn to do something useful with their lives.