Knife Crime

[JohnD]

Utter cobblers! What is a FACT is that while they are inside, they cant possibly be committing crimes.

That is the exact opposite of a fact.

Motman's mental deficiency prevents him from grasping that inside a prison, people are buying and selling drugs, practicing bribery, extortion, theft, fraud and knife crime, murder, sexual and physical abuse.

 

[Munroast]

That is the exact opposite of a fact.

Motman's mental deficiency prevents him from grasping that inside a prison, people are buying and selling drugs, practising bribery, extortion, theft, fraud and knife crime, murder, sexual and physical abuse.

if we can't stop them doing all that whilst inside a prison surrounded by guards, how are we going to stop them behaving like that on the outside ?
we need more robust prisons and never let them out until 100% certain they won't commit more crimes.

 

[Mottie]

That is the exact opposite of a fact.

Motman's mental deficiency prevents him from grasping that inside a prison, people are buying and selling drugs, practicing bribery, extortion, theft, fraud and knife crime, murder, sexual and physical abuse.

Okay then, I’ll change that to "whilst in prison they won’t be committing crimes against normal law-abiding members of society on the outside, only against their own kind who I don't care about".

 

[Notch7]

if we can't stop them doing all that whilst inside a prison surrounded by guards, how are we going to stop them behaving like that on the outside ?
we need more robust prisons and never let them out until 100% certain they won't commit more crimes.

The solution to less crime is not more prison.
The solution to less crime is deal with the causes of crime

Police, criminal justice system, prisons, probation all very underfunded and failing.
We do need more robust prisons and a more robust system overall, but tougher sentences is not the solution.

 

[Mottie]

Perhaps tougher sentences is not the answer but perhaps making a ten year sentence last ten years instead of five for 'good behaviour' is not the answer either. Ten years should be ten years but increase it for 'bad behaviour'.

 

[Ihavenojob]

 

[Notch7]

Perhaps tougher sentences is not the answer but perhaps making a ten year sentence last ten years instead of five for 'good behaviour' is not the answer either. Ten years should be ten years but increase it for 'bad behaviour'.

I certainly agree there have been far too many people released from prison that have then committed murder or violence. In those cases it about public safety not punishment as the key issue.

How that is dealt with, I don't know. The prisons are at 107% capacity already and are massively understaffed.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Inside a prison, people are buying and selling drugs, practicing bribery, extortion, theft, fraud and knife crime, murder, sexual and physical abuse.

That's because they are not really prisons. For example, if someone is imprisoned for buying and selling drugs, and then they continue buying and selling drugs in said prison, how can it be called a prison? Prisons should punish.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Would you rather increase sentences because you want to punish people
or would you like to see the numbers of victims of crime reduced.

Both. Reducing crime is the point of punishment. Your ilk think that punishment is a bad thing.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Increasing prison sentences does not reduce crime.
That is fact

You might be right. But that's because prison, in our country at least, is not punishment. Prison should be synonymous with punishment, but the loony left have severed the link between prisons and punishment. Increasing punishment reduces crime. Punishment by whatever means are appropriate, form the smallest crimes to the largest.

 

[JohnD]

If it costs a lot of money, damages people, and does not reduce crime, it is a bad thing.

 

[JohnD]

the loony left

Remind me, which political party has been in power for the last nine years?

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Remind me, which political party has been in power for the last nine years?

The loony left. (The Conservative Party is not conservative.)

 

[JohnD]

poor mad Andy.

 

[transam]

Should go and talk to that bloke running the Phillipines

He declared open season on criminals

Mind u afaik he has a portrait of Adolph hanging up in his office