Knife Crime

[EFLImpudence]

California and mandatory minimum sentencing laws across the states suggest increasing sentences by 10% cuts crime by 1%

Better increase sentences by 1,000%, then. ???

 

[Ihavenojob]

In what way is it falsified?

The quote is not falsified.

JohnD had it down as a quote from me,I never posted it, but he has now changed it to the original poster,

 

[Deleted member 18243]

The idea that prison doesn't work is utter b*llocks and, like a lot of leftie stuff, defies all logic and common sense.

When in prison, the criminal is not committing any crimes.

If, on release from prison, he commits further crimes, send him back to prison for a longer sentence than the last one. Repeat this if he reoffends on subsequent release. He will eventually either give up crime or be permanently locked up.

And by prison, I don't mean the lowlife social clubs that we know as prisons currently in Britain.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Here's what happens when someone who should be in prison, isn't.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/11/13/joseph-mccann-forced-mum-listen-raped-son-daughter-11090107/

 

[Notch7]

The idea that prison doesn't work is utter b*llocks and, like a lot of leftie stuff, defies all logic and common sense.

When in prison, the criminal is not committing any crimes.

If, on release from prison, he commits further crimes, send him back to prison for a longer sentence than the last one. Repeat this if he reoffends on subsequent release. He will eventually either give up crime or be permanently locked up.

And by prison, I don't mean the lowlife social clubs that we know as prisons currently in Britain.

Andy, America tried exactly what you reckon is the solution.....huge levels of incarceration.
Andy, crime in America did not reduce.
Andy you are therefore talking complete and utter bol lox.
Andy, serious question, what is wrong with you, keep repeating the same things despite the fact they are proven wrong.

 

[festive]

Andy, America tried exactly what you reckon is the solution.....huge levels of incarceration.
Andy, crime in America did not reduce.
Andy you are therefore talking complete and utter bol lox.
Andy, serious question, what is wrong with you, keep repeating the same things despite the fact they are proven wrong.

Interesting to see what you think Is the answer Notch?

 

[Brigadier]

Decriminalise attacking someone with a bladed weapon.
It'll end "knife crime" overnight

 

[Notch7]

Decriminalise attacking someone with a bladed weapon.
It'll end "knife crime" overnight

Im confused.

In many instances both perpetrator and victim carry knives.
These days many youngsters carry knives because they are scared of being attacked.

 

[JP_]

The problem of focusing on punishment and longer prison sentences is that it does not stop the crime in the first place.
Do you really think a braindead chav who can't read and only knows that selling more wraps means more tenners is going to be considering the various possible outcomes of the crime he is about the commit?

Obviously, I am not saying we shouldn't have prisons and punishment, before anybody misinterprets what I am saying, but all evidence and experience tells us that you need to tackle the causes of crime to reduce it. Sensible, intelligent, law abiding people will obviously not commit crime because of the punishments - I wouldn't risk fraud or tax evasion etc.

But those that commit violent knife crimes really are not clever enough to be deterred! As mentioned in a thread earlier this year, Glasgow made excellent progress in reducing knife crime through police and community engagement. And an interesting comment on the radio the other day on the topic - exclusion from school is related to all crime, and knife crime. There should be a system in place that if a child is excluded from school for violence or drug dealing they should go on some sort of police educational course, rather than just given permission to no longer go to school!

 

[Munroast]

Look at the biggest experiment in the world on using incarcerstion as a means to reduce crime: America.

The entire US legal system is so bizarre we can't take any pointers from it - something like 60 or 70% of the prison population haven't been on trial yet, and many of those convicted seem to be for not paying fines for minor offences that they could never possibly pay in the first place - its just a whacky country.

Meanwhile back to the UK, here's two very recent high profile cases of what happens when we start feeling sorry for the wrong people
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...yer-heart-screwdriver-had-just-stolen-jailed/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-london-bridge-terrorist-released-from-prison

When they are locked up they can't murder and stab people, and that is the important bit

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Decriminalise attacking someone with a bladed weapon.
It'll end "knife crime" overnight

I love the idea of "decriminalising", it's one of the top 10 loony left ideas. If a man takes a load of drugs and goes on a murdering spree, he is responsible for those crimes. But, to the left, he has been criminal-ised, i.e. someone else is responsible for turning him into a criminal and he is forgiven!

 

[JP_]

But, to the left, he has been criminal-ised, i.e. someone else is responsible for turning him into a criminal and he is forgiven!

As a loonie leftie, I can assure you that this is nonsense. Did you just make it up, or was something authoritative published on the topic?

 

[Notch7]

Meanwhile back to the UK, here's two very recent high profile cases of what happens when we start feeling sorry for the wrong people

Jesus wept.

Nobody is feeling sorry for the wrong people.
The evidence is well documented: increasing prison sentences does not reduce crime.

You need to ask yourself whether you want to reduce the numbers of victims of crime or are you seeking revenge by wanting to increase punishment.

If you want to reduce crime, then deal with the causes of crime.


The 2 examples youve linked are failings with the criminal justice system, which is not surprising, its so underfunded its on the verge of collapse.

Police shortages means that crimes arent being detected.
The justice system cuts means that criminals arent being dealt with quickly enough
The prison service and probation service are underfunded so reoffending rates are too high.

Currently criminals are winning because they arent getting caught.
Criminals need to be arrested, charged and get to court promptly.

Sadly Tories have been privatising the prison service and probably want to extend it.

 

[Notch7]

I love the idea of "decriminalising", it's one of the top 10 loony left ideas. If a man takes a load of drugs and goes on a murdering spree, he is responsible for those crimes. But, to the left, he has been criminal-ised, i.e. someone else is responsible for turning him into a criminal and he is forgiven!

Andy11's philosophy: 'I find facts cloud my judgement, I prefer to rely on blind faith and prejudice'.

 

[JP_]

It will be a long time before things get better because the entire system that keeps our streets safe, from police and community support groups to the justice system, prisons and rehabilitation have all been cut over the last 10 years, and the country just voted to in a government that will maintain these cuts (while promising to do something, of course).