Labour and conservatives are on the ropes.

[Harry Bloomfield]

they werent called illegal migrants until the Conservatives started using the term and introduced the !illegal migrants bill"

before that they were called refugees or asylum seekers

Problem was, the vast majority, were simply economic migrants - so why not call them economic migrants?

 

[Knave of Hearts]

they werent called illegal migrants until the Conservatives started using the term and introduced the !illegal migrants bill"

before that they were called refugees or asylum seekers

And the Tory's law was pointless, because while UK is a signatory to the UN refugee convention, they cannot refuse to consider an application for asylum, except under the condition mentioned above.

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Problem was, the vast majority, were simply economic migrants - so why not call them economic migrants?

If they're claiming asylum, you are obliged to assess their claim, unless the condition mentioned above applies.

 

[MNW67]

Problem was, the vast majority, were simply economic migrants - so why not call them economic migrants?

Once they have been refused asylum, that would be fine.

 

[Charlie George]

oh dear, poor George spotted your devious little lie.............youve only shown a bit of the chart

whos a naughty boy then eh

here is the full chart with Labour:

1 x poll 4% behind (unconfirmed)
2 x poll 5% behind
1 x poll 6% behind


this is way lower than they were after local elections




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I posted the 5 Last polls including the latest yougov one showing Labour having their worst showing against Reform, using the full list provided by you, the average shows Reforms lead is 9.5% you surely can't dispute that.

If i cherrypicked like you, we could have

1 poll shows Reform ahead by 18%
1 poll shows Reform ahead by 15%
1 poll shows Reform ahead by 13%

 

[Notch7]

I posted the 5 Last polls including the latest yougov one showing Labour having their worst showing against Reform, using the full list provided by you, the average shows Reforms lead is 9.5% you surely can't dispute that

Those polls are ALL the most recent polls,

As I said previously, some of the latest polls show Labour just 5% and 6% behind, nothing like the 20% behind the media having been saying.


An average of 9.5% behind 4 years before the election doesn’t translate into a win.


Reform reached their peak polling after the council elections, but its settling back down now

 

[Charlie George]

As I said previously, some of the latest polls show Labour just 5% and 6% behind, nothing like the 20% behind the media having been saying.

Some of the latest polls show Labour 18% behind which isn't far off , and this poll tracker is from an anti Farage source, no proof whatsoever of Labour catching Reform as you keep claiming, Reform may well be settling, but Labour are plummeting.

 

[Notch7]

Some of the latest polls show Labour 18% behind which isn't far off

Please could you explain what you mean by "isn't far off"

Isn't far off what?

You said the average poll was 9%

The poll tracker you posted shows 12%

So I don't understand why you claim 18% "isn't far off".....its miles off the rest of your data claims.

 

[Charlie George]

The poll i mentioned the 18% lead was on the list you posted, and isn't far off the 20% you said the media had been claiming, this 18% lead from a few days ago is the biggest Reform has had, and your claim Labour is catching is nonsense, 9.5% is the average lead for Reform of all the recent polls, and is increasing not dropping.

As I said previously, some of the latest polls show Labour just 5% and 6% behind, nothing like the 20% behind the media having been saying.

Voting intention: 17th September 2025

Our new Voting Intention tracker shows Labour on their lowest ever share of the vote

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[Notch7]

The poll i mentioned the 18% lead was on the list you posted, and isn't far off the 20% you said the media had been claiming, this 18% lead from a few days ago is the biggest Reform has had, and your claim Labour is catching is nonsense, 9.5% is the average lead for Reform of all the recent polls, and is increasing not dropping.

Voting intention: 17th September 2025

Our new Voting Intention tracker shows Labour on their lowest ever share of the vote

findoutnow.co.uk

increasing you say?

best you dont have a look at this then:

 

[transam]

Seems like Andy Burnham is positioning himself for a future leadership move ?

Always quite liked him tbh

 

[Notch7]

but Labour are plummeting.

and is increasing not dropping.

another latest poll shows Reform lead getting smaller against Labour

 

[Notch7]

Problem was, the vast majority, were simply economic migrants - so why not call them economic migrants?

well they arent

thers no evidence the vast majority of them are economic migrants

 

[Knave of Hearts]

Problem was, the vast majority, were simply economic migrants - so why not call them economic migrants?

Even if they were, and they asked for asylum, the government are still duty bound to process their claim.

And judging by the success rate of successful claims, the vast majority are genuine refugees.
So it really doesn't matter what 'you' call them, other than it might make you feel better.

 

[Charlie George]

another latest poll shows Reform lead getting smaller against Labour

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Labour vote is half of Reforms in that poll, in fact neck and neck with Lib Dems, i used an average of all recent polls (which is the most accurate way) and it shows Reform with a 9% lead, polls showing a massive lead like this one or the one you mentioned yesterday showing a 3% lead are then evened out.
Labour at the moment are at the worst ever poll ratings for a party in power, this is one recent video, lot of others available