looking for part time work

Why don't you advertise in the local paper for like for like work and go from there charging people, making money and gaining expereince at the same time.

Think in tough times very few people would want to take on someone who may eventually become competition but some guys advertise in their local electrical suppliers and get some work that way.
 
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Centrica (BG owners) made an operating profit of 1.9 BILLION last year. Says it all really.
How much do you think they should have made?

Hee haw* would be about right, given (no doubt) the level of remuneration those at the top get.

Ok, so this this wouldn't work in the pathetic system we have but nonetheless, it's taking the pee.

Basically 'homecare' and all the other incarnations of it by the other conglomerates are nothing but a classic 'bait-and-switch'.

*http://glasgow.gmdesign.org.uk/
 
Hee haw* would be about right, given (no doubt) the level of remuneration those at the top get.
OK - so you'd be happy to see Centrica collapse, with the consequent problems to the gas supply network, general economic disruption and the loss of 27,500 jobs in the UK?


Ok, so this this wouldn't work in the pathetic system we have but nonetheless, it's taking the pee.
You seem determined that the profit they made was excessive. That means that you must have a view on what it should have been.
 
I dont make those profits and i dont make those promises.
Nope, you're just following orders, right?

I repair washing machines and white goods i do have to go to old ladys who have been ripped off by independent people with dodgy repairs to electrics and appliances... so remember there are 2 sides to a coin.
Not really. No doubt there are rogue traders but really it's very small fry compared to plundering corporations. I suppose you do the repairs for the old ladies free in your spare time? (or is it because they have been sold insurance and extended warranties by pushy salespeople?) Despite their economies of scale and drive to suppress wage levels I doubt that BG offer good value on any of their products and services (given the prices they charge for gas and plumbing work).

As for working for free if thats what i have to do to get my qualification and provide a a comfortable life for my wife and baby then i make NO appolagies
Fair enough, you've got a roof to put over your head, mouths to feed etc. and I wouldn't grudge anyone a job who needs to do that but please don't kid yourself that you're doing any good for the rest of us (assuming you believe in what BG tells you).

Just remember guys its a long way down from that high horse but i still wish you all luck even if you cant help me
Extended friends and family should be able provide you with a fair bit of experience. Hang around on here and look up anything you don't understand, read the red book and maybe others such as scadden.

I'd rather have a high horse than a s***e one

I think asking independents to help you with your BG career is the height of cheek
 
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OK - so you'd be happy to see Centrica collapse, with the consequent problems to the gas supply network, general economic disruption and the loss of 27,500 jobs in the UK?
No,
this this wouldn't work in the pathetic system we have

You seem determined that the profit they made was excessive. That means that you must have a view on what it should have been.
I don't have a problem with someone making a fair profit for their product or service but the system we have (which was created by very rich and powerful people) means that these companies have to make a bigger and bigger profit every year, bigger the better. This inevitably means that the people and the planet get screwed, and the wealth is even more concentrated in the empires of the elite.

In this case, cmossom is getting screwed by BG because they don't pay him enough or let him further his potential. 'We' are getting screwed because we have to compete with BG's hugely powerful marketing, and the average customer on the street is losing out because they are ultimately paying more (and this cash goes more to the rich elite than the people doing the job or the local economy).
 
allot to say about BG me thinks a little bitter.

No i don't do it in my spare time and you would be nieve to think so just as i assume you don't work for a charity.
as for boilers i don't know or care what that cover is thats not my chosen field

Customers pay less than 7quid per appliance a month and for that i have put hundreds of pounds worth of parts on 1 appliance that local guy would have ripped the old dear off for or she would have had to buy a new one.

I know that your family have had a crap time with BG and i don't defend all of what they do but when im being called out to a family with no heating because the fuse board has gone at 3 in the morning and all weekend i think that "10p a year" sounds ok to me and a job well done.

I only came on here looking for help if i boost my career in BG or anywhere else it makes no difference to you as you just see me as competition taking away your work so whos profit margin is higher yours or BGs

if i left BG and started now on my own with just 17th and 2391 i would still be competition but would i get the same brow beating from you?

all this just to try and learn a new trade and justify my reasons for doing so

BG pay the bills I just do my job the best i can with a smile !0)
 
I would like to advertise in the paper and work for myself but not confident enuff to start a rewire and know what to do when it all goes tits up thats when working with a tradesman and getting that NVQ comes into its own.

If only to set up shop in glasgow!!! lol only joking bit temper haha

I would ask friends and family but im from a council estate in wythenshawe and most of my family and close friends are too so mite not get much joy.

I wont give up though i didn't get this far by giving up easily

thanks for the advice though.
 
I take the same attitude with any such corporation although I do get BG in my face more at work and the rest of the time.

£7/appliance/month? so £84 a year, or £420 over 5 years? And the cover will no-doubt have exclusions. Great value! Not to mention all the (expensive and powerful) marketing of other products the customer gets as an added bonus.

I would rather have lots of little competitors than big corporations. I can't currently afford to pay myself a reasonable salary, let alone make a profit but if/when I do I can guarantee you it won't be the excessive profit percentages of the likes of BG.
 
450 over 5 years beats £1000 on a new miele washing machine any day called out on xmas day to fix an oven with a turkey in it PRICELESS

there are no quibbles with this cover other than you cant break it with a hammer or the parts cost more than the machine in which case you get a contribution towards another one.

but i don't make the rules as i said just a job if i got the same pay stacking shelves and its what i liked doing then of to tesco i would go.

you sure i cant sell this to you hahaha

Please try and remember that its just a job im not the face of BG just dont like to be made out to be a bar steward because of who i work for.

big companys will always make big profits and big wigs will make even more but just be grateful for what you have...and not ****ed at what you have not
 
I don't have a problem with someone making a fair profit for their product or service
OK.

I guess you consider Centrica's current profit unfair?

What do you think would be a fair profit?

You can't keep saying something is at the wrong level if you don't know what the right level is.


but the system we have (which was created by very rich and powerful people) means that these companies have to make a bigger and bigger profit every year, bigger the better. This inevitably means that the people and the planet get screwed, and the wealth is even more concentrated in the empires of the elite.
Do you have a workable alternative which would be significantly different?


In this case, cmossom is getting screwed by BG because they don't pay him enough
Do they not?

How do you know that?


or let him further his potential. 'We' are getting screwed because we have to compete with BG's hugely powerful marketing, and the average customer on the street is losing out because they are ultimately paying more (and this cash goes more to the rich elite than the people doing the job or the local economy).
The 18 directors of the company were paid a total of £7.2M. Even if they worked for free that wouldn't make much difference to the money the company needs to make.
 
450 over 5 years beats £1000 on a new miele washing machine any day
But a Miele washing machine will last more than 5 years.

Put that monthly premium into a savings account and by the time the machine needs replacing you'll have saved more than you need to replace it.
 
C'mon, give cm a break! You guys are being a bit hard on him.

No one is forcing these customers to pay for BG's (or any other company's) services. They choose to pay a monthly fee for the peace of mind of being able to call out an engineer to sort a fault (be it CH or plumbing or appliance or electrical repairs etc). From what I've heard, BG have just improved their breakdown services by adding extra cover with no increase in fees. From looking myself into the likes of Homeserve, I have to say I think BG offer one of the most comprehensive of this type of service.

Look at the exclusions to Homeserve's electrical breakdown service for example:

Electrical Emergency and Breakdown Cover Exclusions
a. wiring and electrics which are not permanent;
b. wiring and electrics within sheds, greenhouses and other nonpermanent
garden structures;
c. wiring and electrics which are situated outside or mounted on
the external surface of any building, with the exception of wiring to
permanent security lighting and security lights or garden lighting
mounted on the main dwelling (excluding detached garages and
outbuildings);
d. the replacement of light bulbs, decorative and fluorescent tube light
fittings, fuses in plugs, transformers controlling single low voltage light
fittings, or any other routine electrical maintenance tasks;
e. electrics which are connected to a pump to a swimming pool, pond,
water feature or fish tank, whether inside or outside the property;
f. wiring or anything connected to satellite dishes, radio and television
aerials, their fittings and masts;
g. control wiring of burglar alarms, telephone wiring, smoke detectors,
doorbells, electrical garage door systems and electrical gates;
h. domestic electrical appliances with a plug, shower units, portable
and fixed heating or energy efficiency management systems;
i. immersion heaters, with the exception of the permanent wiring to
the immersion heater, which is covered;
j. power generation systems including solar panels, wind turbines,
air conditioning units and combined heat and power systems and
associated controls;
k. any 3-phase electrical systems (including wiring, sockets and
switches);
l. any part of the domestic electrical wiring which is too difficult to
access safely, or is impossible or impractical to maintain because of its
position;
m. any adjustment required to the timing and temperature controls of
heaters or Economy 7 timer switches;
n. any delays caused by our suppliers or their agents in obtaining
spare parts that are not immediately available;
o. repair or replacement costs if our contractor is unable to repair the
domestic electrical wiring due to its age or poor condition;
p. the resetting of circuit breakers, where it is not associated with
permanent repair work and where it can be reset by you;
q. garden areas;
r. any loss in the event of damage occurring where the property has
remained unoccupied for 60 or more consecutive days;
s. any fixtures including wiring and earthing where its replacement
is only necessary as a result of changes in legislation or health and
safety guidelines;
t. systems / equipment which have not been installed, serviced
or maintained in accordance with established practice, British
Standards or manufacturer’s instructions;
u. loss or damage arising as a result of disconnection from or
interruption to the gas, electricity or water mains services to the
property;
v. any defect, loss or damage occasioned by fire, lightning, explosion,
tempest, flood, earthquake, impact or other extraneous causes;
w. any wiring or electrics in communal areas;
General Exclusions:
1. The following are also excluded from cover and therefore IPA will not
be liable for any of the following:
a. any item not forming part of the policy coverage as detailed in
‘What is Covered?’;
b. any event, loss or damage arising from circumstances known to
you before the insurance began;
c. the replacement of items or parts that wear out as a consequence
of natural wear and tear over time, gradual deterioration or corrosion,
unless stated under ‘What is Covered’;
d. normal day-to-day maintenance of the insured elements covered
by your policy at your property, for which you are responsible;
e. damage caused to the property and/or its contents whilst dealing
with a claim will not be reinstated to the original condition. The
engineer will advise if any damage is likely to occur;
f. any defect, damage or breakdown caused by malicious or wilful
action, negligence or misuse;
g. any defect, damage, emergency or breakdown resulting from third
party interference;
h. any attempted repair or modification to the elements covered by
this policy, which does not comply with recognised industry standards;
i. any losses that are indirectly associated with the incident that
caused you to claim, unless caused by our negligence or that of our
agents. For example, loss of earnings due to time taken off work to
deal with the incident will not be covered;
j. costs incurred where you have been informed of the need to
complete permanent repairs, remedial work or maintenance to
prevent a future incident or emergency. Such work will need to be
carried out at your expense;
k. the costs of any work carried out by you or contractors not
authorised by us in advance;
l. any situation where a specialist contractor is required, e.g. where
asbestos is present;
m. any costs above the claims limit(s) detailed under ‘What is
Covered?’ You are responsible for agreeing and settling these costs
directly with the engineer;
n. any investigative work (such as CCTV), where the incident which
caused you to claim has been resolved;
o. the like for like replacement of parts and/or fittings necessary
to remedying or repairing the incident or emergency, unless an
alternative is supplied by you at the time of our contractor’s visit;
p. the restoration of any internal fixtures or fittings (e.g. fitted units,
special floor coverings such as wood block or ceramic tiles etc.)
removed in the process of dealing with the claim;
q. any loss arising from subsidence, heave of the site or landslip
caused by:
- bedding down of new structures;
- demolition or structural repairs or alterations to the property;
- faulty workmanship or the use of defective materials;
- river or coastal erosion;
r. any loss or damage arising as a consequence of:s. any fixtures including wiring and earthing where its replacement
is only necessary as a result of changes in legislation or health and
safety guidelines;
t. systems / equipment which have not been installed, serviced
or maintained in accordance with established practice, British
Standards or manufacturer’s instructions;
u. loss or damage arising as a result of disconnection from or
interruption to the gas, electricity or water mains services to the
property;
v. any defect, loss or damage occasioned by fire, lightning, explosion,
tempest, flood, earthquake, impact or other extraneous causes;
w. any wiring or electrics in communal areas;
General Exclusions:
1. The following are also excluded from cover and therefore IPA will not
be liable for any of the following:
a. any item not forming part of the policy coverage as detailed in
‘What is Covered?’;
b. any event, loss or damage arising from circumstances known to
you before the insurance began;
c. the replacement of items or parts that wear out as a consequence
of natural wear and tear over time, gradual deterioration or corrosion,
unless stated under ‘What is Covered’;
d. normal day-to-day maintenance of the insured elements covered
by your policy at your property, for which you are responsible;
e. damage caused to the property and/or its contents whilst dealing
with a claim will not be reinstated to the original condition. The
engineer will advise if any damage is likely to occur;
f. any defect, damage or breakdown caused by malicious or wilful
action, negligence or misuse;
g. any defect, damage, emergency or breakdown resulting from third
party interference;
h. any attempted repair or modification to the elements covered by
this policy, which does not comply with recognised industry standards;
i. any losses that are indirectly associated with the incident that
caused you to claim, unless caused by our negligence or that of our
agents. For example, loss of earnings due to time taken off work to
deal with the incident will not be covered;
j. costs incurred where you have been informed of the need to
complete permanent repairs, remedial work or maintenance to
prevent a future incident or emergency. Such work will need to be
carried out at your expense;
k. the costs of any work carried out by you or contractors not
authorised by us in advance;
l. any situation where a specialist contractor is required, e.g. where
asbestos is present;
m. any costs above the claims limit(s) detailed under ‘What is
Covered?’ You are responsible for agreeing and settling these costs
directly with the engineer;
n. any investigative work (such as CCTV), where the incident which
caused you to claim has been resolved;
o. the like for like replacement of parts and/or fittings necessary
to remedying or repairing the incident or emergency, unless an
alternative is supplied by you at the time of our contractor’s visit;
p. the restoration of any internal fixtures or fittings (e.g. fitted units,
special floor coverings such as wood block or ceramic tiles etc.)
removed in the process of dealing with the claim;
q. any loss arising from subsidence, heave of the site or landslip
caused by:
- bedding down of new structures;
- demolition or structural repairs or alterations to the property;
- faulty workmanship or the use of defective materials;
- river or coastal erosion;
r. any loss or damage arising as a consequence of:
- war, invasion, act of foreign enemies, terrorism, hostilities
(whether war is declared or not), civil war, rebellion, revolution,
insurrection, coup, riot or civil disturbance;
- ionising radiation or contamination by radioactivity from any
nuclear fuel or from any nuclear waste from combustion of
nuclear fuel, the radioactive toxic explosive or other hazardous
properties of any explosive nuclear assembly or its nuclear
component.


What does that leave?
 
BG pay the bills I just do my job the best i can with a smile
But underneath the smile you're not actually enjoying it (as you said in your 2nd or 3rd post)? Just following orders . . .

450 over 5 years beats £1000 on a new miele washing machine any day called out on xmas day to fix an oven with a turkey in it PRICELESS
You actually sound like a commercial for a credit card, how sad. I suppose you would enjoy leaving your family on xmas day for a call-out? Do you really think BG make a loss on this? Do you not realise that for every job you go to there are 10 (or whatever) customers who will not claim? Ok yeah it's an insurance policy and some people like the added peace of mind and a few will benefit, but overall it's a money spinner for that business (as any 'honest' insurance person or banker will tell you).

there are no quibbles with this cover other than you cant break it with a hammer or the parts cost more than the machine
Hmm, thats not what it says in the homecare exclusions i found.

in which case you get a contribution towards another one.
Do they send you a cheque or is that a discount on the already inflated price of a new one from BG?

but i don't make the rules as i said just a job if i got the same pay stacking shelves and its what i liked doing then of to tesco i would go.
I totally understand why people want to work to better themselves and/or support others (I am the same and I have grafted at sh1t minimum wage jobs for asshole bosses and companies in the past) and a job is a job, you turn up, work, and get paid. But it's really worth thinking about who you work for and what it is that they do in the wider world which is often going to have a much bigger impact than the difference you personally make while doing your job. Don't get me wrong, you can still feel good about what you do, I used to feel a sense of achievement at the end of a 12hr shift washing dishes and I was happy to get money in my pocket at the end of the week but ultimately I was being exploited as are many(most?) people in their jobs, whether they enjoy doing them or not. And I say that as an employer.

Please try and remember that its just a job im not the face of BG just dont like to be made out to be a bar steward because of who i work for.
Actually, you are the face of BG that the customer sees. Who you work for doesn't make you a bar steward or anything else . . .

big companys will always make big profits and big wigs will make even more but just be grateful for what you have...and not p****d at what you have not
I'm more than happy with what i've got, i'm very lucky, but that doesn't mean i'm not allowed to give a **** about what goes on in the world????
 
What do you think would be a fair profit?
I dunno, I haven't had a chance to review the accounts recently. Maybe a fair profit would be one where nobody was exploited. My reasoning for saying the profits are excessive are based on what i know from first hand experience and what i've heard about that company and how the overall free market capitalist system works.

You can't keep saying something is at the wrong level if you don't know what the right level is.
Yes I can:
The aussie dollar is overbought
We eat more crap processed food than we should (as a nation)
Ocean tuna stocks are too low
for example.

The 'right' level is a topic of debate/quantification but we can still assert that the current level is 'not right'. To suggest otherwise is nonsense. At the end of the day it's an opinion anyway, if you disagree then argue back instead of asking me to pointlessly quantify it. Do you really need this level of clarification to get the point I was trying to make?

the system we have (which was created by very rich and powerful people) means that these companies have to make a bigger and bigger profit every year, bigger the better. This inevitably means that the people and the planet get screwed, and the wealth is even more concentrated in the empires of the elite.
Do you have a workable alternative which would be significantly different?
No, I am but one man of 28 years, up against centuries of coercion and domination, give me a break!

In this case, cmossom is getting screwed by BG because they don't pay him enough
Do they not?

How do you know that?
Well he doesn't seem to think so judging by his posts. I wonder, how you would you quantify it? Or are we not allowed to say that someone is paid too much of too little now because we can't put a number on what it should be :rolleyes:

The 18 directors of the company were paid a total of £7.2M. Even if they worked for free that wouldn't make much difference to the money the company needs to make.
I'm sorry, I don't understand the question. What does that have to do with 2bn corporate profit which goes ultimately to the shareholders?
 
I wound not employ anyone for free either, if they are not worth paying, they are not worth employing!

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I worked voluntary for a year for a local electrical company and was taken on full time - we specialise in industrial , retail and commercial work... if you are looking to work voluntary then my advice is try a similar type of firm as they specialise in bigger jobs and are more likely to have more time to train you , as mentioned on the thread (somewhere before it was hijacked) you prob wont have much look with one man bands
 

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