Lucy Letby......More revelations.

[blup]

I have not seen an official review report following an enquiry. Have you?

It’s on its way, the only question is how long the CCRC take. Let’s hope they aren’t sitting on any evidence like they
did with the Malikison case. Maybe they think nothing can be done because she’s guilty

You were wrong is describing her as "Presumptively guilty"

That first word is crucial

 

[JohnD]

It’s on its way

So you haven't seen such a report.

I gather you are guessing what one might say, if it existed.

Presumptive indeed.

 

[blup]

So you haven't seen such a report.

I gather you are guessing what one might say, if it existed.

Presumptive indeed.

Presumptuous more like, but they have had the referral so a report must be due in the next 20 years or so,

 

[JohnD]

you are guessing what one might say, if it existed.

Your guess is not based on evidence, and cannot be assumed to be correct

 

[JohnD]

Alternatively if it is then why was nothing done for a decade?

That question is now being addressed.

Not before time, one might think.

 

[blup]

That question is now being addressed.

Not before time, one might think.

Not before time but equally somewhat premature given the question marks now raised over the evidence. Delay in bringing the prosecution is not a reason to further delay justice in the light of new evidence, hence why there is a strong case to put the public inquiry on hold. Or we have learnt nothing from Hillsborough.

 

[JohnD]

Not before time but equally somewhat premature given the question marks now raised over the evidence.

I don't understand your point. Senior people at the hospital have been arrested for neglect.

 

[blup]

I don't understand your point. Senior people at the hospital have been arrested for neglect.

Arrested on suspicion of neglect, no charges from the head scratchers at the CPS so far afaik. LL’s innocence or guilt have huge implications for the basis of a corporate mans laughter case. Totally premature before the ccrc stuff is sorted. Maybe plod are covering their back.

 

[JohnD]

Totally premature before the ccrc stuff is sorted.

Their negligence is the issue. It is not dependent on the deaths.

 

[motorbiking]

Their negligence is the issue. It is not dependent on the deaths.

Your guess is not based on evidence, and cannot be assumed to be correct

So blup can’t share his guesses but yours are facts?

You have no knowledge about any links. You do not know for example that a senior person did not collude to scape goat someone junior to cover their own criminal failure.

 

[blup]

Their negligence is the issue. It is not dependent on the deaths.

It’s dependent on the cause of the deaths. That cannot be established in a trial of managers (if it proceeds) until her appeal has played out. Unless Plod are going for an each way bet after the race has finished but before the stewards enquiry

 

[Brigadier]

It’s dependent on the cause of the deaths

Not necessarily.

Managers may have been negligent every which way come Sunday but, through the diligence of others or just through blind luck, nothing bad happens.

Bad systems and poor practice increase the likelihood of negative outcomes, but they do not guarantee them.
Nothing may go wrong, but that doesn't mean the operation isn't a complete **** show.

 

[motorbiking]

Not necessarily.

Managers may have been negligent every which way come Sunday but, through the diligence of others or just through blind luck, nothing bad happens.

Bad systems and poor practice increase the likelihood of negative outcomes, but they do not guarantee them.
Nothing may go wrong, but that doesn't mean the operation isn't a complete **** show.

There is no crime if nobody gets hurt. For these particular offences at least.

 

[Brigadier]

There is no crime if nobody gets hurt.

Stealing a wage.

 

[motorbiking]

Stealing a wage.

Nope.

If being sh-t at your job and getting paid was a crime we’d need a lot more prisons.