Motability Cars

[morqthana]

possibly, or at least limit it to those who can't afford their own cars.

So that means yes, you do want to stop, or at least cut, benefits to those who you think don't "need" them.

Any other benefits you'd like to take away from people who have enough money not to need them? Pension, maybe? NHS treatment?

How do you fancy explaining to "wealthy" people, especially those already complaining about how much tax they pay, that they're not going to get the pension they paid into, nor NHS treatment?

What about local services? Should they be means-tested as well? Maybe councils could stop bin collections for people wealthy enough to pay private contractors to take their rubbish away?

Where, in your world, does that process end?

So if someone can afford to add 10 or 20k for an upgrade - then they should use that money to buy a sensibly priced car.

Taking Motabilty vehicle entitlement from somebody means taking away some of their benefit payments.

I don't feel this government (nor the last) are in control of anything, benefits seem to be wildly out of control, huge amounts of people are claiming they can't work. Life with a disability seems to becoming some sort of career choice. Mental health is the best one, don't even have to pretend to have a limp, long walks on the beach are good for my anxiety, and I need a new audi to get there.

You make me ashamed, truly, genuinely ashamed, of this country, you really do.

I wish I knew what was really happening, I hear so many stories about people abusing the system, can't all be made up,

Why can't they be? Look at the rubbish and the lies that some people here have been spouting. Look at the hostility and the callousness towards disabled people they have. It's people like them from whom you are hearing so many stories. It's the right-wing media from whom you are hearing so many stories.

Benefits should be limited to vouchers for healthy food, heat, light and rent etc - no cash to spend on drink, ciggies, fast food and manicures - that would soon compel a lot of people to get a job.

Oh, how nice.

So on top of all the disability-related factors that reduce someone's quality of life, the fact that they may be totally shut out, for ever, from things you take for granted, you want to reduce their world even further to just bare subsistence.

for a DIY forum, home made beer and home made puddings should be par for the course

Unless you're disabled, of course, in which case beer and puddings would be forbidden.

the thought of living alone terrifies me - I can't cook and I love my food.

In your world there would be no point disabled people loving their food, would there.

And as for living alone...

Loneliness rises dramatically among disabled people - Sense

Almost two thirds (61%) of disabled people are now chronically lonely. Read our press release from February 2021.

www.sense.org.uk

So let's find ways to make their lives even worse, eh? Tell you what - let's reduce their benefits.

Oh - sorry - I forgot that was your idea.


Words fail me, they really do. Actually no - they don't, but the site won't let me use the ones I'd like to to describe what I think of you.

 

[morqthana]

so for instance - a daughter use's her mothers benefits to buy a flashy car, is the only driver and keeps the car at her own address, takes her mother to the shops once a week, and you as a taxpayer would not mind this scenario ?

Of course individual cases like this would not bankrupt an entire country, but can a country on the verge of bankruptcy afford to be so generous ?

So for instance - a daughter does not "use her mothers benefits to buy a flashy car" and her mother gets all her benefits in cash.

How, exactly, is that better?

 

[morqthana]

Are you gullible enough to belive people dont get a mobility car by telling a few porkys

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Tell us how easy you think it would be to get the higher rate of PIP by "telling a few porkies", and "Oh, my back hurts".

 

[morqthana]

Or someone's opinion that believes a mobility car has never been given after someone telling a few fibbs

How many?

How many people have fraudulently got the higher rate of PIP or DLA by "telling a few fibs"?

How many?

Disabled people having a mobility car isn't the problem.

Its the fraudulent ones received, 1 in 5 new cars are part of the mobility scheme....seems a lot...maybe.

How many fraudulent ones are received?

How many?

 

[morqthana]

So forget the 10% that are true? Yeah thats the spirit

Don't forget that 10% of reported frauds being true doesn't mean that 10% of payments, or 10% of Motability cars, are fraudulently got.

The actual amount of fraudulently claimed benefit is 0.4%.

Fraud and error in the benefit system, Financial Year Ending (FYE) 2025

www.gov.uk

So how "tough" should we get on the people genuinely entitled to 99.6% of what's paid out, how much should we punish them, to stop that 0.4%?

 

[morqthana]

Or someone's opinion that believes a mobility car has never been given after someone telling a few fibbs

Fraud rate for PIP is 0.4%. Seems unlikely that all of the fraud would be concentrated on the higher rate.

 

[morqthana]

I am hearing and reading that up to 1 in 5 new cars is bought on the motability scheme ?
and for as little a £8k theey can upgrade to a Merecedes C Class
also told many are used 6 days a week as family cars and they take the mother to the shops once a week

What on earth is going on - no wonder the country is bankrupt

One in five new cars are bought through Motability – has it gone too far?

Motability is now the largest fleet car operator in Europe and costs the taxpayer £2.8bn. Peter Stanford’s mother benefited from the tax-break scheme in the 1980s and it changed her life – but, he asks, can we really afford it when there isn’t enough money to go around?

www.independent.co.uk

So if we scrapped the system where the government pays for, or towards a car, but kept the idea of a charity to lease cars on a non-profit basis, and then disabled people just leased whatever vehicles they wanted/needed/could afford, would that be OK?

Presumably you'd not object to there being a charity which disabled people could access?

 

[Highway Man]

Not everything. Bigotry, cruelty, wilful ignorance, lying, believing lies, prejudice, thuggishness, those sorts of things.

OMG so everything that is you then?

 

[Deleted member 325510]

this is what a salesman in a garage has been telling - just wondering how true it is, I wouldn't be surprised.


I am all for helping those that need help, but struggling to believe one in five new cars are sold for this purpose - seems extraordinarily high

And why can you contribute to buy a luxury model, if you have the extra money - buy your own car!

and it would appear it doesn't stop with just the car, Road Tax, Insurance, Servicing etc - all comes with the same package

Their is no rules to say you have to spend your Mobility alowance on the car.
If you wish to pay for your own car, you are still allowed to receive the mobility alowance.
That was the route I took.
The Blue Badge scheme is separate and run by local councils.

 

[Highway Man]

A lot of disabled people are very entitled people I find. They think the world owes them a living, of course people have sympathy for anyone unfortunate to be disabled but it is the arrogance of some of them that I dislike.

 

[Justin Passing]

I think it perfectly reasonable that a disabled driver should own an older car, not a wreck but a four year old one that is perfectly adequate for their needs, there is no need for them to own a brand new 4X4 that someone working cannot afford themselves.

Don't forget the disabled peron is paying for it, though it's at a bit of a discount. At the top end ( still doesn't cover many "big posh 4x4's" Hyundai Santa Fe hybrid is about the top. ) they'd be paying 555 a month, for which you can lease an Evoque (NOT on the M scheme). I know there's insurance & tyres..
Yes, there must be large numbers of rather standard ex-hire cars in decent condition.
Maybe there's a perceived need for highest reliability. I mean they must have thought of it.

It's not a low bar, to qualify for the Motability scheme.
Most of the comp[laints I've heard have been about people with lower level general lilving difficulties, or a fairly mild mental problem. Those aren't relevant for the mobility part.
I forget the points scheme exactly but it revolves around this part:

If 83 is a no, you don't qualify. You wouldn't get enough points, unless you also couldn't use a sat nav either (or something like that)

The explanations for the form make it clear that you do have to have "no difficulty". That's quite a grey area.
You have to be able to do it whenever you might need and as many times in the day as you might need. That moves the bar a lot.
The assessors bend it their way, the claimant the other.
If you can do a distance once, 19 times out of 20, but would probably fall over the other time and have trouble getting up again, is that a yes or a no?
The SR1 is just the basic form from your Dr.

 

[Deleted member 325510]

I think this car is perfectly suited and adapted for disabled drivers. I would have no issues with these being handed out to those that need a car. It would also stop the scammers trying to get a car when they don't need one.

It was banned about the turn of the century on the grounds of safety.
In strong winds it blew over. Many burst into flames. They could only carry one person. So the disabled always had to travel alone, and no one could drive for them.
They were given free to disabled people, so there was no loss of benefit to accepting one. But there was also no benefit available to adapt a different vehicle.

 

[Highway Man]

It was banned about the turn of the century on the grounds of safety.
In strong winds it blew over. Many burst into flames. They could only carry one person. So the disabled always had to travel alone, and no one could drive for them.
They were given free to disabled people, so there was no loss of benefit to accepting one. But there was also no benefit available to adapt a different vehicle.

They could do a similar scheme with a small four wheeled car which would be safer.

 

[Deleted member 325510]

A lot of disabled people are very entitled people I find. They think the world owes them a living, of course people have sympathy for anyone unfortunate to be disabled but it is the arrogance of some of them that I dislike.

Arrogance does not mean anger at not getting what you are allowed to have,
Arrogance is: the quality of having an exaggerated sense of one's own importance or abilities.

 

[Deleted member 325510]

They could do a similar scheme with a small four wheeled car which would be safer.

That has already been discussed earlier.

Maybe they need large vehicles to transport equipment - have you thought about that?

Maybe they need vehicles with higher seating positions than ordinary cars for ease of access - have you thought about that?

Can you think? If you can, maybe you think that a disability should be grounds for not allowing people to have the same freedom to choose as you do?