National Grooming Gangs Inquiry Announced

[Knave of Hearts]

Abuse victims who were not groomed by gangs have argued that the new inquiry should include their experiences too. Katie (not her real name), a survivor from Lincolnshire whose testimony helped to jail one of dozens of her abusers for rape, said she was concerned that those pushing a narrow ‘Asian grooming gang’ narrative were gatekeeping the inquiries before they had begun.

“The constant use of the term ‘grooming gangs’ is misleading and confusing. It is not an official safeguarding term, yet it continues to be used by government and media. Baroness Casey was clear: this was always supposed to be an inquiry into group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE). It was not a ‘grooming gangs’ inquiry,” she said.

Analysis @ the Guardian

I heard on Sky news the split was 5-4 in favour of keeping Jess Phillips in the role, so the split among survivors, although close, should determine the enquiry goes ahead as they see fit.

Sadly, I feel that the behaviour of some of the victims on the survivors panel has brought the enquiry into disrepute before it could get off the ground.
The real losers of their behaviour are the future potential victims of group child sexual exploitation (not just grooming gangs). The behaviour of some of the victims on the panel have have failed those future potential victims in order to pursue their own agenda.

Chris Mason: Who on Earth will want to take on grooming inquiry now?​

Chris Mason: Who on Earth will want to take on grooming inquiry now?

As we have seen this week, satisfying everyone involved in the inquiry will be an impossible task.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[pete01]

I wish they would stop saying Asian grooming gangs it must really upset the criminals

 

[noseall]

I wish they would stop saying Asian grooming gangs it must really upset the criminals

Eh?

 

[Odds]

Sadly, I feel that the behaviour of some of the victims on the survivors panel has brought the enquiry into disrepute before it could get off the ground.
The real losers of their behaviour are the future potential victims of group child sexual exploitation (not just grooming gangs). The behaviour of some of the victims on the panel have have failed those future potential victims in order to pursue their own agenda.

Chris Mason: Who on Earth will want to take on grooming inquiry now?

As we have seen this week, satisfying everyone involved in the inquiry will be an impossible task.

www.bbc.co.uk

It's become a poisoned chalice, as Chris Mason points out, and whoever ends up taking on the responsibility will end up pleasing nobody at the rate they're going. The ethnicity of people involved shouldn't be the focus of inquiry but has become a focus for right wing commentators and political actors to scrutinise the failings of previous administrations in the matter of justice for survivors.

But if Jess Phillips is to make any headway she must be allowed to do the job without interference from political opponents who simply want to score points at her expense.

 

[johnny2007]

In the meantime, while everybody is arguing about whether a deleted member reneged on a bet, johnny2007 is sitting here having reneged on a commitment he made:



And I gave him an example of a white rapist gang, and he said this:



So that was your "justification" for not withdrawing your statement, was it johnny?

"they caught 3 white dirty b@stards recently.
Hardly comparable with historical gangs operating systematically since the 90s and involving more than 3 criminals."

It was TEN men, johnny, not 3. Is 10 not a big enough number to qualify as a "gang"?

They had a house specifically to use for raping girls between 13 and 15 years old. Is that not "systematic" enough for you, johnny?

They did this between 2016 and 2018. Is that not long enough for you, johnny?


Care to present a good reason for not withdrawing your statement?

10 men. Girls of 13-15. A house kept as a rape venue. 2-3 years. Do you still think it's OK to say that anybody who talks about things like this are supporting or seeking to excuse the Asian child rapists, johnny?

Tell us johnny, how comfortable would you be sitting down with the victims of that Bolton gang and telling them that their experiences were

with those of other girls because their abusers were fewer in number, and operated for a shorter time?

And are you now going to

a) Ignore this?
b) Deal properly with the issues it raises?
c) Resort to more abuse?

I don't justify, nor encourage criminals, unlike you.
That white gang is a gang of dirty b@stards that I would like to see punished by the victims and their families.
What you don't understand is the widespread systematic approach to child rape with the gangs exposed.
For decades everybody knew but that was normal for them.
Even police officers knew but they kept their mouth shut to avoid offending anyone.
All of these rapists should be dealt with in the same way and if you ask me, prison is not enough.
You don't understand the difference that even the victims are trying to highlight.
By all means, start a national enquiry about grooming gangs, but also keep all the victims in the loop rather than zip their mouth.
2 enquiries would be best for everyone.

 

[johnny2007]

Tell us johnny, how comfortable would you be sitting down with the victims of that Bolton gang and telling them that their experiences were

I reply to this separately because it's an important point.
You are the one trying to justify Pakistani gangs of rapists by saying that also white men rape.
Never a word of condemnation.
Now you're trying to turn that around and pretend it was me supporting the white dirty b@stards.
To be clear: they're all the same to me and if it wasn't for the leftist law, I would like to carry out the sentence.
Of course, gangs operating systematically and with a clear logistic plan to rape kids would be dealt more harshly, whether white, brown, black, orange, blue or green.

 

[morqthana]

Yes. It's wrong to ignore the fact that a majority of gang based child sexual abuse is white British male and wrong to ignore the victims of that abuse.

What is also wrong is to claim that anybody who agrees with that is encouraging criminals or justifying Pakistani gangs of rapists.

 

[morqthana]

I don't justify, nor encourage criminals, unlike you.
That white gang is a gang of dirty b@stards that I would like to see punished by the victims and their families.
What you don't understand is the widespread systematic approach to child rape with the gangs exposed.
For decades everybody knew but that was normal for them.
Even police officers knew but they kept their mouth shut to avoid offending anyone.
All of these rapists should be dealt with in the same way and if you ask me, prison is not enough.
You don't understand the difference that even the victims are trying to highlight.
By all means, start a national enquiry about grooming gangs, but also keep all the victims in the loop rather than zip their mouth.
2 enquiries would be best for everyone.

I reply to this separately because it's an important point.
You are the one trying to justify Pakistani gangs of rapists by saying that also white men rape.
Never a word of condemnation.
Now you're trying to turn that around and pretend it was me supporting the white dirty b@stards.
To be clear: they're all the same to me and if it wasn't for the leftist law, I would like to carry out the sentence.
Of course, gangs operating systematically and with a clear logistic plan to rape kids would be dealt more harshly, whether white, brown, black, orange, blue or green.

Johnny - you are completely pointless.


Just why you cannot understand that saying "B also does X" is absolutely not saying "A does not do X" or "Because B also does X then that lessens the seriousness of A doing it" I really don't know.

But incapable of understanding it you clearly are.

 

[morqthana]

The ethnicity of people involved shouldn't be the focus of inquiry

Depends what you mean by "focus".

It absolutely should be a thing focused on, it should be a thing examined, in case there are factors to be uncovered, or lessons to be learned about precautionary steps to take, education to be undertaken, just as there are with other ethnicity-biased problems, such as "honour killings", FGM, forced marriages.

I know all the racists are now going to jump up and down shouting "see! see! see!" but I've never claimed that there is no "race" element involved in the offending, just like I've never claimed that there is no "race" element involved in the attitude some people have to asylum seekers, or even perfectly regular immigrants.

It seems as though the possibility of an ethnicity factor in some of the offending was deliberately shied away from by earlier investigators which was wholly wrong, just as was the police using a "class" factor to brand poor child victims as white trash prostitutes.

But it would be wholly wrong to frame the enquiry to only look into Asian offenders (something several victims agree on).

And it would be wholly wrong to give any credence to the notion that unless the enquiry only looks into Asian offenders it will be encouraging criminals or justifying Pakistani gangs of rapists.

 

[noseall]

What is also wrong is to claim that anybody who agrees with that is encouraging criminals or justifying Pakistani gangs of rapists.

The Muslim haters are fearful of diluting the singular unilateral targeting of Asian gangs, even if it's to the detriment of the majority of abusers and their victims.
Reform vomit at its finest.

 

[Andydevon]

 

[morqthana]

I reply to this separately because it's an important point.

One which you seem to be missing entirely.

These are your words, there in black and white for all to see:

Yes, they caught 3 white dirty b@stards recently.
Hardly comparable with historical gangs operating systematically since the 90s and involving more than 3 criminals.

It was 10 actually.

Would you feel comfortable sitting down with the victims of that 10-man rape gang, and telling them that their experiences are hardly comparable to those of other girls because it was only a 10-man gang, and it only went on for 2-3 years?

That's not a rhetorical question - it's a real one which I'd like you to answer.

Would you feel comfortable doing that, johnny, yes or no?


Here are some more of your words:

Himmy is trying to support rape gangs by saying that there are other rape cases involving his hated white people.
What about distancing yourself from all rapists rather than trying to justify gangs of dirty old man raping kids just because they're not white?

You are the one trying to justify Pakistani gangs of rapists by saying that also white men rape.

The victims of those men in Bolton gave evidence saying that they were raped by white people.

Would you feel comfortable sitting down with them and explaining that when they say things like that they are trying to support rape gangs, that they are trying to justify Pakistani gangs of rapists?

That's not a rhetorical question - it's a real one which I'd like you to answer.

Would you feel comfortable doing that, johnny, yes or no?

Spoiler: Don't worry

Although I'd like you to answer those questions, I know you won't. I know you'll either ignore them, or (more likely) post more abuse and falsehoods.

 

[johnny2007]

Johnny - you are completely pointless.


Just why you cannot understand that saying "B also does X" is absolutely not saying "A does not do X" or "Because B also does X then that lessens the seriousness of A doing it" I really don't know.

But incapable of understanding it you clearly are.

That's exactly what you do.
Don't try to twist words to suit you.
You and the other nutcase are the ones saying that because white men rape, we should let the Asian grooming gangs be.

One which you seem to be missing entirely.

These are your words, there in black and white for all to see:



It was 10 actually.

Would you feel comfortable sitting down with the victims of that 10-man rape gang, and telling them that their experiences are hardly comparable to those of other girls because it was only a 10-man gang, and it only went on for 2-3 years?

That's not a rhetorical question - it's a real one which I'd like you to answer.

Would you feel comfortable doing that, johnny, yes or no?


Here are some more of your words:




The victims of those men in Bolton gave evidence saying that they were raped by white people.

Would you feel comfortable sitting down with them and explaining that when they say things like that they are trying to support rape gangs, that they are trying to justify Pakistani gangs of rapists?

That's not a rhetorical question - it's a real one which I'd like you to answer.

Would you feel comfortable doing that, johnny, yes or no?

Spoiler: Don't worry

Although I'd like you to answer those questions, I know you won't. I know you'll either ignore them, or (more likely) post more abuse and falsehoods.

I already answered to that.
Retarrd!

 

[morqthana]

Although I'd like you to answer those questions, I know you won't. I know you'll either ignore them, or (more likely) post more abuse and falsehoods.

I was right:

You and the other nutcase

Abuse.

are the ones saying that because white men rape, we should let the Asian grooming gangs be.

Falsehood.

Retarrd!

And more abuse.

 

[johnny2007]

I was right:



Abuse.




Falsehood.




And more abuse.

In my country we say that the bull calls the donkey 'horned beast'...