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Need a smart thermostat for Vaillant boiler

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We have a basic combi vaillant ecotec boiler

The kids broke the thermostat today.
I looked up on Amazon.
I’d like to get a smart thermostat.
Are there any considerations?

I’ve seen a cheap Chinese one for £50.
It looks smart.
Or am I better of going for a well known brand?

Thanks.
 
I use a salus it500 only for heating, been using it since jul 2020, its been fine basic one, easy to use, couple of firmware upgrades, few times it was playing up due to weak battery, and once when their service was playing up in the cloud, only cost £75 back in 2020, can be bought for £95 now. Used the phone app to switch on heating /off heating whilst i was halfway round the world.

Support is very poor though.

The one by Tado can be bought for £100 and i think is better but dont now much about their support, I would avoid cheap Chinese ones.

The new Hive mini thermostat is for £80 only.
 
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As @Mister Banks says, getting valiant, likely best option. I use Wiser, main reason is I can have 10 thermostats linked to the same hub, so if wife's bedroom is cold, her TRV head can turn on the boiler, but mine is a simple on/off oil boiler.
 
Internet control is not a Smart stat.
Smart is when it uses various inputs to modulate the boiler so it saves energy and tailors burn time to suit your specific property for optimum comfort.
 
Internet control is not a Smart stat.
Smart is when it uses various inputs to modulate the boiler so it saves energy and tailors burn time to suit your specific property for optimum comfort.
I would agree we expect more from a smart thermostat, but some of the things a smart thermostat does, has one scratching ones head and thinking why. The Nest Gen three was supposed to monitor what changes you made, and work out a sequence to emulate what you had manually done.

I think the main problem with the learning feature, is it did not allow for doors to be left open. So had to turn the feature off, the same applied for many of the features, had to turn off anti-legionnaires, and geo-fencing.

Much is down to design of the house, the on/off thermostat can do a reasonable job, if it's not turned off too often.

My house, 14 heated areas, 15 radiators as two in main living room, since my boiler does not modulate it is slight different, but basic idea is the TRV's control the temperature of each room. But unless linked, they can't turn boiler on/off. So often a wall thermostat it placed in the slowest room to heat up, so all rooms are warm before it switched off.

However, there is a problem, it should not be in a room with alternative heating (including sun through windows), or a room with outside doors, and should be on the ground floor. So an alternative method is to have a few thermostats able to turn on the boiler. I have 3, one in the hall on the wall, traditional location, one in the living room on the wall, and one in wife's bedroom as part of the TRV, the other rooms all have programmable TRV heads, but not linked, only wife's bedroom is linked.

I suppose you could have linked TRV heads in every room, but not found I needed the other linked. There is also no reason why one needs any wall thermostats, could be all done with linked TRV heads. But measure temperature around a room, and one can get 18ºC in one spot and 30ºC in another, due to sun in a bay window, but other factors can cause local warm spots within a room. So measuring at 1200mm to 1400mm high from the floor may be better, it could be worse however, all down to thermals within the room.

So in general the TRV stops a room over heating, and the wall thermostat from under heating. There are claims that my TRV heads (wiser) work out how long it takes to heat the room so will if set at 20ºC at 6pm turn on central heating at 5:35pm as it knows it takes 25 minutes to heat the room, must admit that's smart, but not tested as yet.

Not sure if internet is required, intranet, however that's the bit inside your house, so when I say hey google turn living room to 20ºC it can do so. Not tried IFTTT for geo-fencing, it may be better to Nest version, but with Nest it turned the heat up far too late, better off with simple timed. Nest also does not connect to any TRV heads, so a bit useless anyway.
 
Internet control is not a Smart stat.
Smart is when it uses various inputs to modulate the boiler so it saves energy and tailors burn time to suit your specific property for optimum comfort.
But its very difficult to get the most out of smart thermostats along with smart trvs, lots more can go wrong and you have to constantly check and recheck. Best to simplyfy things n not overload things.
 
But its very difficult to get the most out of smart thermostats along with smart trvs, lots more can go wrong and you have to constantly check and recheck. Best to simplyfy things n not overload things.

Biggest issue is people don't leave them alone.
 
I would recommend the Vaillant smart controller with external sensor in order to get the maximum efficiency out of your boiler and therefore save you ££.
 
I've been using the Hive system with my Ecotec for several years, it's not the cheapest option, but has worked faultlessly including remote internet control via their App.
 
I've been using the Hive system with my Ecotec for several years, it's not the cheapest option, but has worked faultlessly including remote internet control via their App.

Hive is just another dumb switch. It has no idea of what it controls or vice versa.

It may operate faultlessly according to it's design and manufacture but that is not the same as working efficiently, in conjunction with the device(s) it controls.

Connected switches "can" provide "some" savings merely due to allowing users not to have to get off their arris, to go to the programmer, put their specs on, crouch down, peer at the display and try and remember how to change the scheduling parameters.

Proprietary controls do better as they communicate and converse with the system logic to control software and ultimately the flame.
 
Hive is just another dumb switch
I'm afraid I would partially disagree with you here.
The Hive is a load compensating smart stat. Utilising learning algorithms to understand how quickly the house warms, together with internet forecasting and information from other users, it can control temperatures far better than a tradition on/off stat.
Some reports suggest they may have up to a 10% efficiency gain over a standard dial stat:


Even though it only has on/off control of the boiler, it can use that to implement a long period pulse width modulation - gaining better control and efficiency, but at the expense of increased boiler cycles.

However, since early this year, Hive also now come with OpenTherm support, still of little use to a Vaillant boiler without a VR33, but a further improvement on intelligent load compensation alone.
 

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