New ceiling lights fitted by Electrician - questions?

[snowballs]

I was contemplating fitting new light fittings upstairs, but after research about how fiddly these new modern light fittings are, limited space to contain the connections within the light fitting to be compliant, hence not stuffing choc boxes back up the hole in the ceiling which I've read is a safety issue, so I decided to leave it to the professionals and paid a Sparky to do the work this morning!

The light in our bedroom was a pain apparently, so he said to me he couldn't use the preferred Wago method and did it with choc blocks. There was only room for 3 of them within the light fitting, so he taped up the block with the 3 lives and said he'd rested them in the space where the wires comedown at the level of the plasterboard, that being 18mm thick and the 11mm choc block would mean it "fits within the fitting base, is accessible and compliant". He showed me I could see part of the yellow/green taped choc block in the small gap between the top of the light fitting and the ceiling. I took a photo (attached) after he'd popped some filler around it (less said about that the better!) and you can make it out.

My question would be is it contained in the fitting base or in the ceiling void - I've attached a diagram hopefully to make more sense.

The red box with no wires is not part of this fitting, I'm assuming it's not compliant as it's in the ceiling void, purely for demonstration on my part if it were connected?
The other filled boxes (3x light green, 1x blue) are choc blocks for this fitting, with the 3 green and 1 blue being how this light fitting is set up, the three green ones (earth, neutral and switch) are compliant as they are within the fitting base.
The blue choc block (live) is the one in question as to whether it is housed within the fitting base and compliant?
Obviously it's not to scale, but there isn't enough room for all 4 choc blocks below the hole/plasterboard to be enclosed fully within the light fitting, mainly due to the LED driver.
drift boss
So should I worry about this and get him back or am I just playing on semantics and being a ****? I'm also aware that taping around the choc box is not normal practice, but is that really an issue?

This is a great example of why lighting installations can be more complicated than they first appear. It’s good that the work was checked rather than assuming everything is fine.

 

[ebee]

Yes light fittings can be fun, right through the ages they can present many different facets of simplicity, complicity and good/bad temperedness an then as an adddition consider the switching arrangements and wiring configurations permutations possible (I wonder if anyone has ever invented a board game based upon it - hours of fun for the whole family and makes snakes and ladders look a bit dull).

 

[Risteard]

Just to update on the Class 2 metal fitting with the wires connected by Wagos and enclosed in the fitting, long story which isn't really relevant, I had another Sparky come round this morning to do something else and when I booked him I told him I wanted that Class 2 fitting "made safe".

He had a look and said it was safe to keep all the cables in the enclosure of the fitting but he'd tape up the live Wago connections because sometimes the levers become loose! I said to him that it was good practice to have the wires out of the fitting enclosure (as per you good people) so he said he'd tape them all up and pop them into the ceiling void FFS. Pushed him on a boxed enclosure and a Wagobox appeared, he had to cut a little bit of plasterboard and five mins later, all wires concealed in the Wagobox in the ceiling void and he even filled the small gap that created.

Is it me, or do Sparky's just want to take the easy option, whether that be time or a cost of a Wagobox and an obsession with tape for permanent jobs? That's two different Sparks saying the same thing - I did say to this morning's Sparky that although the other methods may be deemed "safe" which I would question, the Wagobox solution was the "safest" and he agreed.

Yes I'm a pain in the arse, but I want jobs done properly - is that wrong?

The fault is largely that of the manufacturers of these so-called "Class II" metallic luminaires. Sure, metallic fittings can technically be Class II, but the nonsense of tiny connection boxes to allegedly achieve this is begging for this to be largely unachievable, or extremely difficult/costly to achieve.

 

[mikehammer69]

It's a problem alright class 2 metal equipmrnt

I've even seen some 2-wire stuff live , DVD players