New Zealand

[Brigade77]

My apologies if its been mentioned before, I have been away.

This sorry scenario just about sums up the problem perfectly : Try to find the original video that went viral, Google "Wi spa" & "transgender".

Please feel free to thoroughly absorb all the gobshoites vids in between the good stuff.

Complex problems do not have simple answers, please stop trying to find a simple answer.

I don't have all of the answers. All I know is I don't care what gender you care to identify with, if you'd exposed your male genitalia to either of my daughters when they were 6yrs old then I'd probably be serving life & you'd probably be dead.

 

[JohnD]

I assert that sex is real, not imaginary, and that there is such a thing as a "woman."

It seems you cannot accept these facts.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

I assert that sex is real, not imaginary, and that there is such a thing as a "woman."

It seems you cannot accept these facts.

I assert that sex is real, not imaginary, and exists on a spectrum, and that there is such a thing as a woman, such a thing as a man, such a thing as positions on a spectrum which make an insistence on binary-only either/or categorisations unworkable, and that gender dysphoria is real.

It seems you cannot accept these facts.

It is your right to choose to be deluded.

Your delusions will never change scientific fact.

 

[JohnD]

Since sex is real, not imaginary, a person cannot change it simply by uttering the magic words "I am a woman."

A person with cock and balls, male hormones and male chromosomes is not a woman, and will not turn into one no matter how much he wishes it.

 

[JohnD]

And, therefore, is not entitled to enter a single-sex segregated women's space such as a changing room, naked spa, communal shower, or prison.

 

[JP_]

I assert that sex is real, not imaginary

I dunno, it is pretty imaginary these days tbh

 

[Brigade77]

Since sex is real, not imaginary, a person cannot change it simply by uttering the magic words "I am a woman."

A person with cock and balls, male hormones and male chromosomes is not a woman, and will not turn into one no matter how much he wishes it.

Not that its ever likely to happen, but if I were to wake up one mornin' & proclaim meself a wumman, I would like to think that those nearest & dearest to me would at least humour me, if not accept for me what I am. That is, if they didn't recognise the onset of some serious sort of mental health issue.

Which leads us to the darkside of the problem. Are they genuinely born in the wrong body, are they torn apart by society's accepted norms'? Or are they they just another kind of sexual pervert seeking to legitimise their fantasy of exposing their genitilia to an unwitting audience?

I've said it before & I'll say it again. I really don't GAF if you identify with male / female or even if you think you a Giraffe, if you dare to expose yourself to my kids then you will have my moral standards to deal with.

 

[JP_]

On average, this discussion starts repeating itself every 3.2 pages.

 

[Captain Nemesis]

if you dare to expose yourself to my kids then you will have my moral standards to deal with.

Those standards being murderous ones.

And nothing to do with Johnds ignorant bigotry - youre just using this topic as an opportunity to proclaim your lack of social conditioning and approval of murder.

 

[JohnD]

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[Captain Nemesis]

Since sex is real, not imaginary, a person cannot change it simply by uttering the magic words "I am a woman."

A person with cock and balls, male hormones and male chromosomes is not a woman, and will not turn into one no matter how much he wishes it.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/ambiguous-genitalia/symptoms-causes/syc-20369273
https://massivesci.com/articles/sex-gender-intersex-transgender-identity-discrimination-title-ix/

 

[JohnD]

Thank you for the link explaining that they are talking about misleading appearance in a newborn that does not correspond with biological and genetic sex, and is checked against the baby's chromosomes.

Nothing to do with a man deciding he wants to be a woman.

I quote from your link

"A baby's genetic sex is established at conception, based on the sex chromosomes. The mother's egg contains an X chromosome, and the father's sperm contains either an X or a Y chromosome. A baby who inherits the X chromosome from the father is a genetic female (two X chromosomes). A baby who inherits the Y chromosome from the father is a genetic male (one X and one Y chromosome).

Male and female sex organs develop from the same tissue. Whether this tissue becomes male organs or female organs depends on the chromosomes and the presence or absence of male hormones."

 

[Captain Nemesis]

The idea of two sexes is simplistic. Biologists now think there is a wider spectrum than that.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

 

[JP_]

Didn't somebody say that already, like, 20 times?

 

[Captain Nemesis]

Unfortunately we are afflicted with someone who believes that if he says otherwise often enough he will change reality.