NICEIC

[andy]

i got bored so decided to take a look at what 'advice' they were givin.

multi-way adapters should not be used.

so, Mr. Niceic bloke, if there not to be used, why make them

and if they cannot be used, then thats me ****ed. almost everything in my room is fed from adapters. 2X6 way, 1X8 way, 2X4 way... and almost every socket is in use....

 

[olly_k]

don't forget that 6-way adaptor you have pluged into the 4-way which is pluged into the 3-way 'block' for that moutain of computer gear and a total draw of about 2A
I guess the NICEIC are concerned the misses is going to come along and plug in the kettle and toaster vacuum and whatever else at the same time

On a slightly more serious not I guess loose connections along with irrisponsible use are about the only thing that causes problems with these things but NIC really needs to get a grip and look how many appliances to fixed sockets there are in housholds these days!

 

[andy]

don't forget that 6-way adaptor you have pluged into the 4-way which is pluged into the 3-way 'block' for that moutain of computer gear and a total draw of about 2A
I guess the NICEIC are concerned the misses is going to come along and plug in the kettle and toaster vacuum and whatever else at the same time

On a slightly more serious not I guess loose connections along with irrisponsible use are about the only thing that causes problems with these things but NIC really needs to get a grip and look how many appliances to fixed sockets there are in housholds these days!

actually... all are fed from a double socket

so. 1 goes to a 6 way. TV/sky and UPS are plugged into that. UPS output goes to a 6 way behind computer. nothin from there. from there, a 3 way apadpter brings power to desk level. 8 way is plugged into that. aswell as some other comp stuff (2nd monitor, speakers, pda charger). 4 way is plugged into 8 way. soldering iron, fan, 12VDC bench supply. and finally, a 4 way is plugged into that for my phone charger and fridge. very safe. doesnt get overloaded or anything, and hoover never gets plugged into any of them

 

[kevplumb]

and all complys with part pee

 

[andy]

and all complys with part pee

yup


and since anything which is plugged in is exempt from part P, what happens if you put a 125A BS4343 connector between meter and CU?

 

[plugwash]

and where does it say anythign plugged in is exempt?

 

[andy]

and where does it say anythign plugged in is exempt?

i though stuff not plugged in was exempt? i.e you wire your garden stuff to a FCU, it comes under part P. put it thru a plug and its exempt?

 

[mapj1]

Absolutely. Part P relates to FIXED wiring. things that are not permanently connected, i.e. can be unplugged, are covered only by product legislation, which is much laxer, and anyone can home-make an extension lead.
There are far more deaths from appliances and extension cables than from fixed wiring, and as this legislation will serve to encourage diy temporary as an alternative to DIY fixed, expect it to raise the overall accident rate if it is actually obeyed.
Oddly the ODPM ignored this well known effect in the regulatory impact assessment, and assumed we'd all cough up an extra 100 quid for a socket to plug the lawnmower in rather than lob a 10 quid jo-jo reel out the window.

 

[andy]

Oddly the ODPM ignored this well known effect in the regulatory impact assessment, and assumed we'd all cough up an extra 100 quid for a socket to plug the lawnmower in rather than lob a 10 quid jo-jo reel out the window.

even if both options were £100, theyd rather you got them to check it, coz they get more of the money

 

[olly_k]

Absolutely. Part P relates to FIXED wiring. things that are not permanently connected, i.e. can be unplugged, are covered only by product legislation, which is much laxer, and anyone can home-make an extension lead.
There are far more deaths from appliances and extension cables than from fixed wiring, and as this legislation will serve to encourage diy temporary as an alternative to DIY fixed, expect it to raise the overall accident rate if it is actually obeyed.
Oddly the ODPM ignored this well known effect in the regulatory impact assessment, and assumed we'd all cough up an extra 100 quid for a socket to plug the lawnmower in rather than lob a 10 quid jo-jo reel out the window.

Which begs the question - how the hell would the government justify part-p in it's review if this very safety measure fails to increase safety? Now the next step I think could be worrying....

 

[andy]

Absolutely. Part P relates to FIXED wiring. things that are not permanently connected, i.e. can be unplugged, are covered only by product legislation, which is much laxer, and anyone can home-make an extension lead.
There are far more deaths from appliances and extension cables than from fixed wiring, and as this legislation will serve to encourage diy temporary as an alternative to DIY fixed, expect it to raise the overall accident rate if it is actually obeyed.
Oddly the ODPM ignored this well known effect in the regulatory impact assessment, and assumed we'd all cough up an extra 100 quid for a socket to plug the lawnmower in rather than lob a 10 quid jo-jo reel out the window.

Which begs the question - how the hell would the government justify part-p in it's review if this very safety measure fails to increase safety? Now the next step I think could be worrying....

i cant add another socket in my kitchen. oh well, ill get a 4 way adapter, make the flex longer using bell wire amd plug it in, trailing along the bench and over the cooker where itll probably get damaged. i hope the RCD works.

actually,that wont work, since i cant install an RCD.


or

i need more light in my kitchen. ill just hang a hand lamp from the ceiling, clip the cable accross the ceiling and have it running around the bench, in the way of everything, plugged into a overloaded socket


and this is safer?

 

[mapj1]

Exactly - my argument, the argument vindicated by the facts from the accident data from other countries, is that when you 'make things safer' by restricting DIY wiring, the effect in the bigger picture is more than offset by a rise in accidents involving all the extension lead and adapter workarounds - very recently Lidl were selling an extension lead for terminated with a tent peg on a doublesocket, as the cheap way to get power to your garden. It seems to have dropped off the "this weeks special offer" list, but I'm sure there is more dodgy tat from the factories where that came from.
The ODPM were lobbied hard by the big contracting organisations to put these rules in place, and can't now admit they were duped. Really its all about closed shop working practices, not safety.
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