No lights after installing new roses

[Taylortwocities]

I've also seen advice saying never to put 2 blacks together!

Only if you know what the blacks are for. Unfortunately one of your blacks (the one that used to have the red sleeve) is a switched live. If you connect that to a black that is a neutral and switch on, then BANG!.

So, you really need to find which of those blacks had the red sleeve........

But that is for light #3. For light #1 follow EFLI's advice, but only after testing first.

 

[Taylortwocities]

I really don't recall it coming off, if anything I was very cautious of keeping it on,

Well, its there on the 'before' picture, but its not on the 'after' picture. There's really only one possibility.

 

[gerbils]

Well, its there on the 'before' picture, but its not on the 'after' picture. There's really only one possibility.

Hi - it's on the after picture, but not very clear. It's the far left one next to the blue

 

[gerbils]

Update: OK I really think I am getting somewhere! I disconnected both wires in rose #1 and tested again.

I have 240v from one cable when the switch is on, and 0v when the switch is off.

The second cable gives me 0v regardless.

So I wired up the 240v wires to the rose and it works, full brightness, very bright in fact!

I now assume the other cable is just feeding this voltage to the second light?

Not sure how to connect this if that's correct - my brain says black to black and red to red; but I haven't done this yet as I am nervous of doing it.

Thoughts?!

Here's the latest pic

 

[Taylortwocities]

Go on, try it. Black to black & red to red.

I'll keep my head down while you try it

 

[gerbils]

It worked!

I trust this is the correct way to do it and will be safe?

Is this looping at the switch?

 

[Taylortwocities]

Yes. It's back like it was before.

 

[Taylortwocities]

Is this looping at the switch?

No it's not. Don't even go there. You've got enough trouble.
Is everything working now?

 

[gerbils]

No it's not. Don't even go there. You've got enough trouble.
Is everything working now?

Haha no problem, just wondered why it was different to the others - believe me I am not touching it again!

 

[gerbils]

OK, so now the room with the 2 new lights has a feint burning smell - and the new light fitting is very hot - I've turned it off while I investigate.

Could this be the wiring, the bulb or the fitting? I do have just 2 candle bulbs in there for now as this is what was in the chandeliers (10 of them!).

Or maybe it's Ok to get hot and it's just the smell of new plastic getting warm (does smell that way).

 

[securespark]

Are the lampholders T1, rated to 60W?

If so and you are using 100's, then that would explain the hot plastic smell.

 

[securespark]

You will need to test, but light number 1 could simply be a switched live and neutral into the rose and a switched live and neutral out.

 

[gerbils]

Are the lampholders T1, rated to 60W?

If so and you are using 100's, then that would explain the hot plastic smell.

The rose and pendant drop are rated for 100w - the bulbs I used are 40w. Not sure if it's T1 or T2.

 

[gerbils]

The fact there are two wires there may suggest it is the end of a circuit, but if there is another rose in the same room working off the same switch, it could well be wired red to red and black to black in the rose.

I wasn't sure what that meant at the time, seems very obvious to me now

 

[securespark]

No sorry. It's my fault. No wonder you did not fully understand.... I said two wires when I meant to say two cables...