Oh Dear

[sooey]

I could give you ten links if I wanted to.
But you'll feel so much better if you find them yourself.

I think we all know that a response like this indicates that there are no such links.

Yes, he's bull$hitting - and not for the first time.

You were saying???

 

[JBR]

I could give you ten links if I wanted to.
But you'll feel so much better if you find them yourself.

I think we all know that a response like this indicates that there are no such links.

Yes, he's bull$hitting - and not for the first time.

You were saying???

Have you posted a link? OK, someone else has, but did you know about it or were you just sounding off?

 

[sooey]

Of course I knew about it you ******. It was included in all the news websites later in the day.
The reason I told ellal to look for himself was to get him to look for himself, and as I said to him, If I'd been wrong it wouldn't have taken long to be found out.
Pity you didn't read the thread before jumping in with more cr*p, you would have seen noseall's link.

 

[joinerjohn]

my point was that it is nearly always assumed that a male rather than a female is to blame over the deaths of children in a family, whatever the circumstances!

Well said ellal. yet I'd have to ask the question, "Are men , always to blame?"
(as is usually assumed) There was a case last year in Edinburgh where a woman killed her children and attempted suicide. She was found guilty of culpable homicide (same as manslaughter in England) Nothing to do with the husband who was blameless. I do think it's sad that children are used in relationships, more so when partners split up. Kids are used almost like bargaining chips. I speak from personal experience too. When I split up from my first wife (her infidelity btw), the amount of times I went to pick up the kids, only to be told at the door, they didn't want to see me (when the kids were crying for me in her house) were countless. My solicitor threatened her with "defined access" and she eventually backed down. Had my access been "defined" by the courts, the first time she refused access, she could/would have been back in court for breaking the order. My children (although grown up now) believed for years, that it was me who walked out on the marriage. They now know better, but still love their mum , which I'm quite happy about. (actually get on very well with her now, although it took a long time)

 

[sooey]

It seems now that the poor girl actually stabbed the feckless bstrd the night before the tragedy.
He knew what state of mind she was in, he's even quoted as saying this...

‘I found out this morning when I got a phone call saying somebody had committed suicide and I had a feeling who it was.’

Yet he still left those babies there, he really cared didn't he?
Does anyone else want to argue that he shouldn't share at least some of the blame?
IMHO most of it, not that he'll give a toss when the publicity has died down.

 

[Norcon]

sooey wrote

he really cared didn't he?

What would you care if some bird stuck a knife in you the night before?
Apart from getting your sorry arze out of there.

Your crocidile tears are really flowing on this one.

 

[sooey]

Is that all you've got to offer??

Something intelligent would be nice.

Just for a change.

 

[joe-90]

Society's to blame for breeding stupid people that breed stupid people that leach the life out of society.

A 21 year old with 4 kids and no job? FFS.

 

[ellal]

Does anyone else want to argue that he shouldn't share at least some of the blame?

Well if you want to aportion blame...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...t-mother-to-her-death-say-family-8575619.html

Ms Anderson's family said the mother-of-three had suffered from mental illness from a young age.....

So now apparently her family knew for years she wasn't quite right, and maybe not up to motherhood...So did they not care then?

It's funny to see how your argument unravels bit by bit because you spouted off before all the facts are known...

 

[sooey]

So now apparently her family knew for years she wasn't quite right, and maybe not up to motherhood...So did they not care then?

If a young girl has her heart set on settling down with somebody and having kids with them there isn't an awful lot her family can do to stop her, apart from trying to be there when she needs them.
If they try to get too heavy she will simply cut them out, don't you realise that? This kid had her heart set on being with this character and having a family with him, why do you think that was? Do you think it might have been because he told her how much he loved her, and how much he wanted to be with her, and how much he wanted lots of kids? I sure as hell do. Being "not quite right" as you put it just makes her more vulnerable to gobsh***s like this. Do you still think he should be blameless?

It's funny to see how your argument unravels bit by bit because you spouted off before all the facts are known...

It's funny to see how stupid you really are.

 

[wobs]

And that's an excuse for murder?

It's not an excuse but if you had a clue you would know just what kind of a desperate situation she was left in with 3 babies to look after 24/7 while heavily pregnant.
That's not an excuse either, but by fck it makes what happened more understandable. We don't know what kind of support she had if any, it obviously wasn't enough. You d'heads slating me for 'looking to condemn the father' yet are happy to condemn the poor mother when like I said, you haven't got a clue.

I haven't condemned anyone, as i have repeatedly said we don't know enough to judge. You are projecting, as it is you who are judging.

We don't know what kind of support she had if any, it obviously wasn't enough.

This is evidence of a big part of your problem. You refuse to hold women up to any kind of accountability, and assume that anything bad a woman does is a result of someone somewhere not doing enough for them. This is infantalising, and sexist. It assumes moral superiority of women which is wrong, and shows your moral bankruptcy.

It is also a problem throughout society, where we bend over backwards to held women no matter what they do. And to not care about men (at best) or just through them in jail at worst.

Once again, I am not judging this case, as we don't know enough. I am judging you by your appaulling attitude.

 

[ellal]

If a young girl has her heart set on settling down with somebody and having kids with them there isn't an awful lot her family can do to stop her, apart from trying to be there when she needs them.
If they try to get too heavy she will simply cut them out, don't you realise that? This kid had her heart set on being with this character and having a family with him, why do you think that was? Do you think it might have been because he told her how much he loved her, and how much he wanted to be with her, and how much he wanted lots of kids? I sure as hell do. Being "not quite right" as you put it just makes her more vulnerable to gobsh***s like this. Do you still think he should be blameless?

There you go again...making assumptions without foundation!

You might as well say "If a young girl has her heart set on killing her kids there isn't an awful lot her family can do to stop her"...

Ultimately the blame comes down to whoever committed the ACT!

The reporting of these cases is also different. If it is a mother it is 'suspected of killing' and 'took her own life', whereas if it is a father it is usually 'suspected of murdering' and 'suicide'..The terms used set the tone!

It's funny to see how stupid you really are.

mirror mirror on the wall...

 

[sooey]

I'll say no more now. I will not carry on an discussion with a pair of dheads who refuse to see the facts in front of their face.
RIP to that poor badly let down young girl and her beautiful babies.
I hope the feckless bstrd who let her down suffers some real feelings of remorse and guilt, though I doubt it.

 

[ellal]

I'll say no more now. I will not carry on an discussion with a pair of dheads who refuse to see the facts in front of their face.
RIP to that poor badly let down young girl and her beautiful babies.
I hope the feckless bstrd who let her down suffers some real feelings of remorse and guilt, though I doubt it.

What, run out of more made up 'theories' as to why 'he' is to blame?

Maybe she wasn't to blame though - maybe thatcher was to blame...

 

[Bosswhite]

It seems now that the poor girl actually stabbed the feckless bstrd the night before the tragedy.
He knew what state of mind she was in, he's even quoted as saying this...

‘I found out this morning when I got a phone call saying somebody had committed suicide and I had a feeling who it was.’

Yet he still left those babies there, he really cared didn't he?
Does anyone else want to argue that he shouldn't share at least some of the blame?
IMHO most of it, not that he'll give a toss when the publicity has died down.

The Police were called because of an alleged stabbing and then sent away.( A none incident)
, if he was the feckless bstrd that you say, he could have told the Police then that he had been stabbed, she would have been arrested and charged with attempted murder, the children removed and put in care straight away.

He chose not to, but assured by her text messages that she would not harm the children, he left the property to let her calm down.
IMO he did the right thing.