Ok ...Hanging & Capital punishment

[gasbanni]

Is or Isn't it a deterrent ?



In the autobiography " A Hangman's tale " near the end of the book he poses a question along the lines of " Compare the numbers of murderers who were released and went on to commit another murder compared with the number of people who were innocent that were hanged, which number should we be more concerned with ? "

The numbers of miscarriages of justice can be counted on one hand the list of murderes re offending is much much longer...............

Hard to argue that hanged murders would murder again !

 

[doitall]

Is it a deterrent,

They sure as hell wouldn't re-offend if that's what you mean.

 

[gasbanni]

That was a question opening up that point for discussion, people seem to think that capital punishment isn't a deterrent...........

The poll question was purely to see what peoples opinions are regarding capital punishment.

Two different points really.

 

[doitall]

I fully support it and always have.

It'll never happen in my life time, the Governments are too soft and running scared of the do gooders.

 

[wotan]

I firmly believe if you intentionally take a life, then you should expect to forfeit yours.

Wotan

 

[LastMagicBean]

If this long over-due 'reinstatement of the death penalty' debate ever went to public vote, reinstatement would win hands down.
And rightly so.

 

[joe-90]

There was some kind of referendum in the 70s in Oz when I was there - it lost - hands down.

 

[joe-90]

Capital punishment isn't about justice, it's about society getting revenge. Surely it's time to leave medieval thinking behind - or shall we reinstate witch burning too?

 

[wotan]

Burning yes, and also hang drawing and quatering, as long as it removes from society, those that do not have the right to live, premeditated murderers.

 

[joe-90]

There are other ways to remove people from society.

The Guildford four?

The Birmingham six?

That's 10 we could have hanged - instead of that we removed them from society and proved their innocence - and let them go.

If one of them was your son - which would you prefer?

 

[wotan]

with modern science DNA testing where it can be proved without any shadow of doubt, then yes, their lives should be terminated.

Wotan

 

[joinerjohn]

In this technamalogical wondrous age we live in, if guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt (before it even goes to trial), then if someone is found guilty (at their trial) , a long drop with a short rope should be the order of the day. Same where guilt is admitted.
Corporal punishment should also be re-introduced for lesser crimes. The two men who abducted the 14yr old in Manchester during the week then raped him in some toilets, spring to mind as likely candidates for 50 lashes of the birch, followed by a good handful of salt rubbed in, and followed by a long incarceration.

 

[joe-90]

Wotan, So you are already starting to qualify your outburst.

Because proof would have to be 'absolute', rather than 'beyond reasonable doubt' the majority of murderers in prison right now would be walking free.

Is that what you want?

 

[joe-90]

In this technamalogical wondrous age we live in, if guilt is proven beyond reasonable doubt (before it even goes to trial), then if someone is found guilty (at their trial) , a long drop with a short rope should be the order of the day. Same where guilt is admitted.
Corporal punishment should also be re-introduced for lesser crimes. The two men who abducted the 14yr old in Manchester during the week then raped him in some toilets, spring to mind as likely candidates for 50 lashes of the birch, followed by a good handful of salt rubbed in, and followed by a long incarceration.

And if it turns out that a gay boy has fingered two gay men due to a guilty conscience - what then?

 

[LastMagicBean]

Capital punishment isn't about justice, it's about society getting revenge.

Justice and revenge go hand-in-hand.

Every single sentence handed down for any crime is revenge for said crime, even in today's soft judiciary.